[thxultra]

Have bryston any plans on building a dvd player like other high end audio companys eg.krell,tag maclaren,meridian,lexicon

[James Tanner]

Hi,

We are thinking about a DVD/CD player but will wait until all this hi-res SACD DVDA stuff gets sorted out.

james

[thxultra]

so its probably going to be a while then  
would it be built from scratch or a known player tweaked by bryston like the lexicon rt-10

[James Tanner]

Hi,

I think it will be from scratch because we want to use fully discrete Class A analogue stages like in our BP25 DA preamp.

james

PS - I did not know the Lexicon was a tweaked player - what player?

james

[thxultra]

It's based on the pioneer DV-757A which is a £600 player here in the uk where as the lexicon is around £2750.

[thomaspf]

Before you build your own player....

Have the plans to support SACD/DVDA on a SP1.7+ via a 1394 interface materialized any further.

There are now quite a few players out there that support digital out of all formats via 1394. Prices keep coming down with the Pioneer DV-47ai approaching $500 street price in the US. It is not clear to me what needs to get sorted out.

In order to get high quality audio from the higher resolution formats we are currently forced to look at very expensive standalone players and use the pass through on the SP1.7.

Cheers

    Thomas

[Levi]

Hello James,

I agree with Thomas and with many people out there.

Would it be possible to build a mid-fi player that supports both formats?  ._._._.   I think we all know what the answer to that.

Levi

Before you build your own player....

Have the plans to support SACD/DVDA on a SP1.7+ via a 1394 interface materialized any further.

There are now quite a few players out there that support digital out of all formats via 1394. Prices keep coming down with the Pioneer DV-47ai approaching $500 street price in the US. It is not clear to me what needs to get sorted out.

In order to get high quality audio from the higher resolution formats we are currently forced to look at very expensive standalone players and use the pass through on the SP1.7.

Cheers

    Thomas

[James Tanner]

The problem is that all the firewire formats outputting digital are propritary and you have to use their player with their processing. The other issue is as you say what we want is a universal SACD/DVDA player. The DVDA and SACD players downsample and change the output to lower res PCM before output and as far as I know Sony will not allow accesss to the hi-res DSD bitstream.
We are waiting to see if a universal hi-res system becomes available before we move into the market.

james

[thomaspf]

James,

I have no idea where you get your information from but what you describe is simply not the case. There is a couple of players that output Hirez DVDA/SACD in its native format and interoperate just nicely using the 1394 A&M profile.

There is no downsampling involved but this is true hirez and the matching receivers do the bass management and other processing. There is no translation from DSD to PCM either.

There are a few companies trying to lock you in but it seems customers do not like these games. (Denon tried with the 5900 but now has promised an upgrade to standard A&M profile)

Cheers

    Thomas

[James Tanner]

Hi Thomas,

Well thank you for that info - I was not aware of those facts. I will pass this on to our engineering guys and see if there are OEM digital engine versions available.

james

[thomaspf]

Hi James,

you are most welcome. Have a look at

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=355414

There is a partial device matrix in this thread.

Cheers

    Thomas

[thomaspf]

The Audio DDK from these guys look like what you need to get a quick start.

http://www.isdmg.com/section_products/fwaddk-brochure.pdf

Updated:
Here is a implementation note on how it implements SACD adhering to the 1394 A&M spec

http://www-s.ti.com/sc/psheets/slla150/slla150.pdf

2nd update. With some help of the resident 1394 experts at the avsforum I have learned that Denon uses this solution.

http://www.bridgeco.net/products/dm1000/dm1000.shtml

and in case you want to add Ethernet and USB as well there is a supplementary solution to cover that.

http://www.bridgeco.net/products/dm1001/dm1001.shtml


Cheers

    Thomas

[nicolasb]

I think it will be from scratch because we want to use fully discrete Class A analogue stages like in our BP25 DA preamp.

As an SP1.7 owner I'd like to put in a vote for a DVD player that, at least as an option, is a pure digital transport, with no audio processing or audio DACs at all. The SP1.7 does a very good job of D/A conversion, bass management, channel delays, volume adjustments, etc. and it would be nice to have the option of buying a player with top-notch video performance, plus ultra-low-jitter digital audio output, but not to have to pay anything extra for audio circuitry that simply duplicates what we already own.

Obviously this would present problems for DVD-Audio (unless there's something like a Firewire connection) and even more problems for SACD, but there's nothing available on SACD that I want to listen to anyway.  

It'd also be fun to have a really stripped down machine where the only video output was SDI, but that's probably a bit unrealistic.     If we can at least have SDI and HDMI available options, that'll be a good start...

[gravy]

The Audio DDK from these guys look like what you need to get a quick start.

http://www.isdmg.com/section_products/fwaddk-brochure.pdf

Updated:
Here is a implementation note on how it implements SACD adhering to the 1394 A&M spec

http://www-s.ti.com/sc/psheets/slla150/slla150.pdf

2nd update. With some help of the resident 1394 experts at the avsforum I have learned that Denon uses this solution.

http://www.bridgeco.net/products/dm1000/dm1000.shtml

and in case you want to add Ethernet and U ...

I'm in the market for a universal player (DVD-A / SACD) to match up with the sp1.7.   I'm just starting to get into DVD Audio and rather enjoying *some* of the productions.

Any update on a Bryston offering?

[jethro]

The last I heard from James was that it would be a while and probably not this year.

[gravy]

The last I heard from James was that it would be a while and probably not this year.

Thx Jethro.   I guess I'm stuck listening to DVD-A's via my Audigy2 sound card.  

[nicolasb]

Arcam DV27A is quite a nice DVD-Audio player while you're waiting for Bryston to come up with one....

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Arcam DV27A is quite a nice DVD-Audio player while you're waiting for Bryston to come up with one....

Thanks Nicolas, I'll have a look.

[thomaspf]

In case you want to use your PC to play to one of the A&M Firewire enabled surround sound receiver out there. Sony has releases an 1394 A&M driver for Windows.

Plug in your receiver, and when it can't find the driver point it to the SONY STR-LSA1 1394 Audio

Unencrypted files only at this point. It is laso rumored the Microsoft will include a more complete A&M driver in the next verison of the Windows operating system.

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/1394-AVC.mspx
Cheers

   Thomas

[nicolasb]

Oh, and, if you're looking for something a little bit cheaper than a DV27A then the possibly-not-quite-on-the-market-yet Arcam DV79 is looking quite promising. (The existing DV89, which the DV79 rather confusingly replaces, is good too).