My take on the demise of Kodachrome

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Steven Stone

My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« on: 31 Dec 2010, 04:36 pm »
Here's a link to my post on AVGuide.com about Kodachrome:

http://www.avguide.com/blog/requiem-kodachrome

The image was shot on Kodachrome in 1976. It's a dinosaur...

SET Man

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #1 on: 4 Jan 2011, 03:32 am »
Hey!

   I was very sad when I first learned that it will be discontinued.  :( I kind of knew that it days where numbered but I didn't expected it to be this soon. But even before digital the Kodachrome were not as popular as the E6. It was like a specialty film.

   Anyway, I do have some Kodachrome slides from the mid '90's I think and they are all still looks pristine. The color still pop and I'm sure it will be still decades from now.

    I guess as a photographer that got started in the days of film I considered myself lucky to have used couple of rolls of this iconic film. :D

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:

Wind Chaser

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #2 on: 4 Jan 2011, 03:42 am »
Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah

Looks like mama took your Kodachrome away.

Jon L

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #3 on: 4 Jan 2011, 04:00 am »
I sure hope film photography in general doesn't go extinct like Kodachrome.  In the meanwhile, I still have my Fuji..

SET Man

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #4 on: 4 Jan 2011, 04:10 am »
I sure hope film photography in general doesn't go extinct like Kodachrome.  In the meanwhile, I still have my Fuji..

Hey!

    Unlikely, probably not in my lifetime.

    But it will be with less selection, harder to find stuff and likely will cost more also. And this already happening lately.  With color print film the big problem I think will be finding a good local lab to get prints. :?

Take care,
Buddy :thumb:


   

Johnny2Bad

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #5 on: 4 Jan 2011, 04:25 am »
Hey!


   Unlikely, probably not in my lifetime.


   But it will be with less selection, harder to find stuff and likely will cost more also. And this already happening lately.  With color print film the big problem I think will be finding a good local lab to get prints.


Take care,
Buddy


Film imaging is a chemical process, and a simple one at that. There is nothing stopping anyone from coating a plate or film, exposing it via a simple camera (can be no more than a box with a small hole in it) and running it through a few chemical baths easily made up at home. Making the film stock is not complex either ... it's the same thing a capacitor fab does every day, with a few minor details the only difference. The final image can also be printed on paper you could easily make at home, if you wanted. The list of appropriate chemicals is long ... you can choose from a number of formulas so substitution is no problem ... and not exotic by any means. You are right ... it is essentially impossible to kill conventional photography.


Photo labs are just fairly simple automated versions of the process. Instead of home processing, they do it the same way movie stock is processed. The chemicals are easily made up (if you can't buy them from the usual suppliers) and there is nothing beyond demand that would stop someone from operating a high volume lab.


Kodachrome was different. It is not a simple film stock, and it's not a simple processing lab that develops that stock. Kodachrome is not even colour film ... it's black and white film in three layers, and each layer is converted to one of three individual colours in a complex process. As a dye-based image, Kodachrome was essentially grain-free; certainly in comparison to the alternatives, anyway. 'Grain" in photography can be (crudely) compared to a pixel in a digital image. No grain = practically unlimited pixels. That is a gross oversimplification, but it does show the essence of why that particular film was so prized.


Kodachrome is dead ... long live Kodachrome. Film photography, however, cannot die.


I was sad and a little miffed to learn that the last Kodachrome lab was closing, and it hit the news the very day it ended. Even a month of notice would have helped, but apparently the chemicals needed are no longer available, and the lab's stock was at an end. So, I understand why it happened the way it did.


I always bought my Kodachrome with the prepaid processing from Kodak. They stopped processing their own film years ago, meaning I would now have to pay for processing I'd already paid for at a private lab. So, I hadn't sent in the last few rolls I had around. With a little notice, I would have.


A few years ago I sold stock photos. Prior to about 1990 no magazine would accept an image if it were not shot on Kodachrome. Digital printing and later, digital imaging changed that. The quality of digital printing was not the same as the older methods, and slowly a poorer quality became acceptable, and magazines began accepting conventional slide film as well as 'Chrome, because you couldn't keep a Kodachrome's inherent quality anyway. Digital printing and imaging has improved, but consumers are now used to low-quality images now so it's not always exploited to the maximum.

Russell Dawkins

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #6 on: 4 Jan 2011, 07:03 am »
It is said that Sigma's Foveon sensors and TRUE processors give closest to the Kodachrome look in digital still camera image quality. A number of very seasoned photographers and stubborn, dedicated film holdouts have gone this way in spite of the many quirks of the Sigma cameras.

Their recently announced SD1 seems destined to rock the boat in a serious way.

I am close to purchasing a DP2s, or even a DP1s or x. The IQ appeals to me more than any other digital.

Jon L

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #7 on: 4 Jan 2011, 06:39 pm »
It is said that Sigma's Foveon sensors and TRUE processors give closest to the Kodachrome look in digital still camera image quality.

I wish Canon or Nikon was the one to come up with Foveon sensors, enabling many more people in general to benefit from the technology.  As things stand, how many people will actually commit to a Sigma body/lens platform? 

Sigma also dropped the ball with no video capability at all with SD1.  General public LOVES video, and even die-hard photo enthusiasts will occasionally wish they had a HD video cam with them to capture that magic moment.  How many people realistically carry both a DSLR AND video camera at the same time? 

Here's a sample 1080p video I took at New Year's Eve dinner with Canon T2i.

http://vimeo.com/18433039

Russell Dawkins

Re: My take on the demise of Kodachrome
« Reply #8 on: 4 Jan 2011, 08:43 pm »
I wish Canon or Nikon was the one to come up with Foveon sensors, enabling many more people in general to benefit from the technology.  As things stand, how many people will actually commit to a Sigma body/lens platform? 

Sigma also dropped the ball with no video capability at all with SD1.  General public LOVES video, and even die-hard photo enthusiasts will occasionally wish they had a HD video cam with them to capture that magic moment.  How many people realistically carry both a DSLR AND video camera at the same time? 

http://vimeo.com/18433039

At the moment, it looks like the only people committing to the Sigma DP and SD series are those to whom image quality eclipses many conventional considerations, like convenience (although it could be argued that for many the DP 1 and 2 are extremely convenient as they are simulataneously pocketable and make high-end DSLR quality images). It also seems, from reading the Sigma forum on DP Review, that there probably are enough enthusiasts out there to keep Sigma alive, and these people would rather be paying for the essentials, like sensor, lens and processor quality than "frills" like video capability. So, for them, Sigma is on target.