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diy avr12
« on: 1 Oct 2010, 04:07 am »
Started building a set of these for my home. I've got a few pic's I'd like everyone to look at and critique them. I made two sets, the first
I didn't like and decided to do them again. The first set I'm using to practice veneering.

In the third picture at the bottom right is a small gap, any advice on what to fill that with?









The next pictures are my first tries at veneering. This is a little harder than I thought. I'm using raw (unfinished and  no backing ) rosewood. I bought a 40sqft flitch and had extra to play with. I used titebond 3  and ironed it on. I have some seems showing and I think it is from taking the tape off to soon and not letting the glue set long enough.
 






Any advice on how to corect these problems would really help. I have extra veneer and and extra shell to play with before I try and do this on the good ones.

thanks
marty




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« Reply #1 on: 1 Oct 2010, 04:28 am »
You could fill that little gap with any wood filler.  Or put some glue in it and sand it with the electric sander.  The dust will  fill it up.  Or, this is my new favorite adhesive-gap filler:






"2. If you are seeming be careful as the moisture in the veneer that you had to add to keep the veneer from curling and the moisture you might have in an iron will cause the veneer to shrink/expand. You might think you have a good seam and then it will separate as the veneer drys. Its best to buckle the veneer at the joint about an eighth inch and then iron the buckle out. Be patient. You will think the buckle is too much but then...As the veneer continues to shrink you get a tight joint. There are some books that discuss this."

More info  here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=170942&page=63

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« Reply #2 on: 1 Oct 2010, 05:36 am »



The next pictures are my first tries at veneering. This is a little harder than I thought. I'm using raw (unfinished and  no backing ) rosewood. I bought a 40sqft flitch and had extra to play with. I used titebond 3  and ironed it on. I have some seems showing and I think it is from taking the tape off to soon and not letting the glue set long enough.
 

Any advice on how to corect these problems would really help. I have extra veneer and and extra shell to play with before I try and do this on the good ones.

thanks
marty





Marty when you say tape, do you mean veneer tape? Usually the seams are fitted and taped prior to lamination. Here's a little tutorial I googled up.

http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneering/veneertaping.htm

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« Reply #3 on: 1 Oct 2010, 11:44 am »
I used 4 hole veneer tape. I  taped them together, let them set up made sure they were nice and tight, then applyed the glue and let it dry, then ironed them on.

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Marty when you say tape, do you mean veneer tape? Usually the seams are fitted and taped prior to lamination. Here's a little tutorial I googled up.

http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneering/veneertaping.htm

The tutorial in your link is for vacuum veneering which is not the same as iron veneering.  I'm not sure I see the need for veneer tape in the iron on method ( I could be wrong).  I am fairly certain that the "buckle" method in my above post is standard procedure and serves to compress the joint.  In that way when the veneer tries and pulls back the joint pulls back it does not open because there is extra material.

The best place for the joint is on the back or bottom.

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« Reply #5 on: 1 Oct 2010, 02:08 pm »
Joe suggests using coat hanger wire 2" from the joint to add the needed gap filler, then pulling that out and ironing over it to seal it tight together.  Seems similar to what you're suggesting.  I can't quite visualize it, but I hope to try that very soon as I'm learning how to veneer myself.  Thanks much for tips from veterans.

Tom

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« Reply #6 on: 1 Oct 2010, 02:54 pm »
The tutorial in your link is for vacuum veneering which is not the same as iron veneering.  I'm not sure I see the need for veneer tape in the iron on method ( I could be wrong).  I am fairly certain that the "buckle" method in my above post is standard procedure and serves to compress the joint.  In that way when the veneer tries and pulls back the joint pulls back it does not open because there is extra material.

The best place for the joint is on the back or bottom.

Indeed you're right, I didn't read it thoroughly. I've only used iron-on method on edges and small areas without seams, so perhaps the buckle method is a better way.  I use a similar strategy when making a seam in laminate countertop, although laminate is far more stable than raw veneer.

The basic problem, as I see it, is the cycling of moisture in and out of the veneer that the iron on method induces. I suppose once a person got accustomed to amount of shrinkage, it could be calculated into the "buckle" so to speak, but that's speculation on my part, I have very little experience with the method.

To the original poster; if you happen to have a few clamps, you could use the clamp and caul method, which has been around for centuries, and would be relatively easy on something this small. You could also just weight the sides one at a time. I can elaborate if you're interested.

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« Reply #7 on: 1 Oct 2010, 03:56 pm »
Well, I haven't tried this  :oops:  but I remembered reading about it.  Here is a link with a picture http://books.google.ca/books?id=zIth50cd-osC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=fine+woodworking+buckling+veneer+for+tight+seam&source=bl&ots=dIswCin7gy&sig=Jebv6SleFukdBKZn6yQpKbB7D3k&hl=en&ei=DASmTOuxDoP68Abq0LD_AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false  Here is the pic
Joe suggests using coat hanger wire 2" from the joint to add the needed gap filler, then pulling that out and ironing over it to seal it tight together.  Seems similar to what you're suggesting.  I can't quite visualize it, but I hope to try that very soon as I'm learning how to veneer myself.  Thanks much for tips from veterans.

Tom

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« Reply #9 on: 2 Oct 2010, 03:28 am »
Thanks for the replys, I'll try this sunday or monday. I'll take lots of pic's and post them. this may not work the first time but I'll set up a couple of samples to try.


thanks marty

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« Reply #10 on: 3 Oct 2010, 07:27 pm »
In the third picture at the bottom right is a small gap, any advice on what to fill that with?




Small gaps like this can also be filled with wood glue mixed with the sawdust of whatever wood you're using (MDF in your case).

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« Reply #11 on: 8 Oct 2010, 03:34 pm »
I think this looks a little bit better


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« Reply #12 on: 11 Dec 2010, 01:33 pm »
finished them








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« Reply #13 on: 11 Dec 2010, 04:43 pm »
That may just be the best looking pair of A/V-1RS's that I have ever seen.

aharami

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« Reply #14 on: 11 Dec 2010, 05:17 pm »
wow that looks really nice!  how did you get raw veneer to bend around a roundover like that (i think that's a roundover I see on the front panel)?

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« Reply #15 on: 11 Dec 2010, 05:21 pm »
Wow those look great!  :drool:

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« Reply #16 on: 11 Dec 2010, 06:26 pm »
Excellent work. :thumb:  Those look terrific!

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« Reply #17 on: 12 Dec 2010, 01:51 am »
thanks for the replys. they are all square corners. the raw veneer would not bend around the corners.

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« Reply #18 on: 12 Dec 2010, 01:56 am »
now to start the center

NeilT

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« Reply #19 on: 12 Dec 2010, 01:59 am »
Very nice, let us know how they sound.

Neil