Acoustic Foam-Is this a good deal?

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warnerwh

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« Reply #20 on: 26 Feb 2004, 11:39 pm »
vpolineni: If you can do the whole wall then do it.  Once you get the one piece up you're going to be wishing you spent the extra bit of money.  If you use spray adhesive the stuff will peel right off and you can't even tell it was there.  

I know acoustic foam doesn't seem as exciting as a new piece of equipment but you'll be wondering what you were waiting for. I did.  IMO this should be done before any equipment upgrade unless you have something you really don't like. Once you get a decent acoustic environment for your system to do it's thing every other upgrade will be that much better.

vpolineni

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« Reply #21 on: 26 Feb 2004, 11:50 pm »
thanks for all of the input warner.. I think I'll invest some money and do the whole wall... i can save money by cutting it into sections my self to go around the outlet, etc....

warnerwh

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« Reply #22 on: 27 Feb 2004, 12:08 am »
I'm looking forward to what you think of the improvement and it's cost effectiveness.  Good Luck with the project.  You'll have it up in no time.  Spray outside if you can as the spray adhesive is way bad for you.

Tim S

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« Reply #23 on: 27 Feb 2004, 02:12 pm »
Nathan,

So was the thickness of the shag carpet also chosen for sound absorption?  :P

Thanks for the picture and the suggestion.

Tim

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« Reply #24 on: 28 Feb 2004, 09:17 am »
Quote from: vpolineni
thanks for all of the input warner.. I think I'll invest some money and do the whole wall... i can save money by cutting it into sections my self to go around the outlet, etc....
Could you post a picture when you finish ? Thanks !! :)

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« Reply #25 on: 28 Feb 2004, 10:31 am »
Before Michael Green started RoomTunes, he had a normal retail shop and used fiberglass insulation to treat his main listening room.  Wonder if someone could treat an entire wall this way to achieve a LEDE room??
There's one type of insulation that's already wrapped in a white poly covering so there wouldn't be a danger of the fibers migrating into the room. It's not especially attractive, so ideally it would be covered with some wall-to-wall drapery or some other fabric.  Might work as a temporary fix/experiment--you could always throw the insulation up into the attic if it didn't work as acoustic treatment.

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« Reply #26 on: 28 Feb 2004, 12:18 pm »
Fiberglass is very good for absorbing low frequency (below approximately 100 Hz). The acoustic foam is better at frequencies above that.
Let me put it this way; if I were making a bass absorber I would use fiberglass, for an LEDE, I would use acoustic foam.
              d.b.

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« Reply #27 on: 28 Feb 2004, 02:26 pm »
lonewolf,
  I'll post pictures once i'm done.. the question is-what am I going to do?  I originally was going to shell out a few bucks and get a lot of acoustic foam but I talked to scott f. for awhile and If I do lede... I don't want to overdamp my room so now i'm thinking of buying some fiberglass panels.  The fiberglass should cost less than 50 dollars to make whereas the foam was 130.  I just read dan's post and am not sure which will work best... back to the drawing board.  :roll:

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« Reply #28 on: 28 Feb 2004, 02:43 pm »
To further confuse you, check out these two sites:

RealTraps

and

http://www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html

I realize that the MiniTraps are out of your budget, but you can make panels yourself.

I use the MiniTraps and they have been very effective in my room.

Good luck.

GW

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« Reply #29 on: 28 Feb 2004, 05:01 pm »
Hi,

Just wondering about the eggcrate foam.  Is it different than the stuff found in boxes to prevent damage in shipping?  In our shipping dept, stuff that looks the same is used in 'pizza' boxes to prevent damage to circuit boards in shipping.

Anybody know what's different (material?)?

Thanks,
sct

John Casler

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« Reply #30 on: 28 Feb 2004, 05:32 pm »
The ultimate would be a LEDE with the correct amount of Bass control.

The concept behind LEDE is that close and direct (first) reflections of sounds from the speaker are the "most" damaging to the sound.  So all these refelctions are addressed by treating the sections of the room closest to the speakers.

Also since most don't listen in the "extreme" nearfield, then the ear/brain needs some "air" (which is allowed in the Live End) to provide a sense of "space".

If you were in an Anechoic Chamber and didn't sit in the extreme nearfield, then the lack of sound (air) around you would be distracting.  For multichannel listening this may not be the case.

In all this discussion we seem to focus on the reflections off the flat wall surfaces, and the Bass problems, but there are other areas too.

All room corners are "sonic garbage collectors and regenerators".  As the sound wave is guided by the walls, ceiling, and floor to "collide" in the corners, and then spit out back into the room to destroy your program.  

So after addressing:

1) The front wall
2) All first reflections (side ceiling and floor)
3) Bass problems

It is best to look into controlling the corners.  To do this look at the products offered by Eighth Nerve, Room Tunes and others.  Many of these too can be DIY projects.

The idea is to reduce/block the mids and highs that go into the corners and then keep them from reflecting back out.  This can be accomplised to a great degree by creative application of acoustic foam.

Bass on the other hand is larger and stronger and the idea is to reduce its power going in, absorb its energy, and neutralize its reflected wave coming back out.

This too can be done by using foam, but as Dan suggests a more aggressive and effective method is placing a stronger sound dam such as a bass panel (could be a fiberglass panel) in the corner so that it creates a "trap" so that the wave can enter but has a more difficult time escaping, back into the room.

After putting an acoustic foam panel in the corner, simply place the fiberglass panel so that it forms a triangle with the two walls that form the corner.  This panel can be touching the walls, or it can be slightly out (allowing the bass wave entry to the corner)

The wave enters the corner by traveling along both walls.  The energy meets and is strongest in the very corner (just stand directly in a corner sometime while playing deep bass and see what I mean).

The colliding bass is then push/reflected straight out of the corner back into the room.  That is why ASC bass traps (the round upright cylinders) are placed at the intersecting line coming out of a corner.

Actually large soft furniture (like OS Chairs) placed in a corner can also go a long way in helping with this task.

The other area of a LEDE room (the Live end) is not meant to be "reflective", but dispersive for best result.  You really don't want all your sound bouncing around in big "chunks", you want the maximum dispersion of that sound, so you still have "air" but not mass reflection of the program material.

To that end make the walls and area of the LE, busy with lots of angles, and uneven reflective surfaces.

Anyhow just a few more thoughts on "THE ROOM"