HT3C options

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TheGoose

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HT3C options
« on: 25 Jul 2010, 07:40 am »
I see the HT3C on the Salk website.  Would there be a way to create an HT3C that was not a floorstanding speaker?  I'd like a center to match really well with HT3 mains, but I already have a stereo cabinet located where a floorstanding center would go.  If it would be ok if it only goes down to 100HZ if that would make it possible.

srb

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« Reply #1 on: 25 Jul 2010, 07:52 am »
If it only went down to 100Hz, then there wouldn't be any point in having the 10" woofer of the HTC3.  The HTC2 uses the same midbass and tweeter as the HT3, matches the HT3's very well sonically, and goes down to 55Hz.
 
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« Reply #2 on: 25 Jul 2010, 03:11 pm »
Isn't the HTC2 a two-way speaker?  Doesn't that change the sound for the same frequencies between the HT3? and the HTC2?

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« Reply #3 on: 25 Jul 2010, 04:16 pm »
I believe the 10" woofer crosses over to the midbass driver at around 250-300Hz (or did in the previous HT3 with the TC Sounds woofer).  So there might be a bit more clarity from the midrange driver not having to reproduce those frequencies, but the overall character and timbre of the two speakers should be very similar.
 
The customer who ordered the custom HT3C most likely listened to multi-channel music without a subwoofer and/or just wanted the best without regard to size or budget.  I'm sure you will hear shortly from those who are using the HT2C with the HT3's as well as comments from Jim.
 
But I'm having a hard time imagining a custom HT3C utilizing a 10" woofer that could fit in any stereo cabinet!
 
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« Reply #4 on: 25 Jul 2010, 05:05 pm »
You could use an HT1 as the center, I believe.

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« Reply #5 on: 25 Jul 2010, 06:16 pm »
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding here but why not just get the (original) HTC?  Same drivers as your HT3s but no big woofer.  It is a sealed design so it works perfectly in a cabinet...  I own one and it integrates seamlessly with my HT3s...  I just checked the Salk website and it is pictured in the page header, but nowhere else on the page.  The way I understand the various options for a Veracity HTx center channel are as follows:

HTC    =    Seas Excel W18's & G2 tweeter in a sealed cabinet (mate with HT3 or HT1 mains)

HT2C  =    Seas Excel W18's & LCY tweeter in a sealed cabinet (mate with HT2 or HT2TL mains)

HT3C  =    Seas Excel W18's & G2 tweeter + 10" woofer module (same as HTC but with the added bass capabilities of a HT3)

I believe that Jim would make any of the above with a RAAL tweeter to match up with RAAL upgraded mains, making for a total of 5 possible configurations for the Veracity center channel...  then to add even more possibilities I think there have even been ported versions (both front and rear) of both the HTC and HT2C.  If my math is right that would be 9? possible combination's (unless you want to throw a ported HT3C into the mix, then add 4 more)

That many options is unheard of!!!!   :lol:
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« Reply #6 on: 25 Jul 2010, 06:30 pm »
The HTC, HT2C and HT3C are all now spec'd with the RAAL ribbon standard, as are all of the speakers in the Veracity line.

Goose, I couldn't determine from your post whether you already own the pair of HT3's, but if you do and they are pre-RAAL versions, I would think there would be some stock of Aurum Cantus ribbons to match them.
 
Steve

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« Reply #7 on: 25 Jul 2010, 10:05 pm »
If you are crossing over to a sub at, say, 80Hz, you don't really need a 3-way.  Sure, the W18 used in an HTC3 would have lower distortion since it is only playing above about 300Hz.  But the HTC has a pair of W18's to share the load and it is very low distortion as well.

From my perspective, it doesn't seem like there would be any advantage to a smaller 3-way center channel (although we will soon show one for our SoundScapes).  The HT3C we built was for a customer who wanted a full-range center that could play as low as the HT3's themselves. But for most applications, this is probably not workable size-wise.

The only way you could make one that is smaller is to use a smaller woofer.  But then you aren't gaining the advantage that a 3-way offers in terms of bass extension.  So you really have to ask yourself what you expect to gain.

An HTC or HT2C has a pair of W18's to share the load.  So that keeps their distortion levels very low.  And that would be the only advantage you would gain with a 3-way using a small woofer.  So it seems to me that the HTC or HT2C would be the best option under these circumstances.

As for all the models and all the tweeter options, perhaps a little explanation is in order.

When we designed the HT3 (and HT1) with the G2 ribbon, the HTC was designed to mate with them perfectly.  About the time we started work on the HT2 (which later lead to the HT2-TL), the LCY had just come on the market.  It's specs were slightly better than the G2, so we decided to use it.

But when customers purchased a pair of HT2's, they wanted a center channel with the same LCY tweeter (which makes sense).  So the HT2C was born.

I should point out that we discussed replacing the G2 in the HT3's and HT1's with the LCY at that time.  But we determined there simply wasn't enough performance difference to justify the switch.  Both tweeters performed about the same in the audible realm.

About six months ago, the LCY was in short supply and LCY was unable to do anything about it (they were having trouble getting the magnets required to produce the tweeters).  At about that time, we had been working with a custom RAAL tweeter for our SoudScapes.  This tweeter measured smoother than either the G2 or the LCY.  It was, and still is, the best ribbon tweeter we have worked with.

So we talked to Aleksandar at RAAL about producing enough tweeters to that we could switch over to the RAAL exclusively for all of our designs.  He agreed to produce enough for us so that we would not run out.  That is why you see the RAAL listed on our web site as the ribbon tweeter for the SongTowers and all Veracity speakers.

In the long run, this will simplify things quite a bit.  We will go from three ribbon tweeters to one and we will no longer have to offer multiple versions of our center channels.

In the short run, it will tend to be a little confusing.  Some customers purchased speakers before we began the transition to the RAAL tweeters (which is still in progress as I write this).  For those customers, we will continue building the HTC, HT2C, HT3C, SongCenter ribbon and others.  So at least for a while, we will continue using the G2 and LCY tweeters.

But eventually, the RAAL will be the only tweeter we will stock and our intention is to use it in all present and future designs.

I hope that all makes sense.

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Re: HT3C options
« Reply #8 on: 25 Jul 2010, 10:35 pm »
How's about a picture.  :thumb:
 

 
That's 1 funky lookin' center channel,, I like it.  8)
 
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