Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #20 on: 24 Jul 2010, 08:00 pm »
Yes in fact I did. Everybody is going to have a different take depending upon who you ask. Considering the PC aren't ridiculously priced I think it would be worth checking out. Besides there is one member here who has them, at least I think so and is satisfied that there is a difference. After what I spent on the amps I'm sure this is much more easy to digest price wise.

The cable on  my amp is not the standard one either. But... My stereo has its wiring all to itself all the way from the meter, and the cable from the city to my meter is a more solid one than standard issue as well. So here it does make a difference.
But to think that once the current leaves the wall socket it needs a $1500 cable to make it to your amp safely... it came through $ 0.25 a mile cable before that wall socket. It will do fine on a much cheaper cable as well.

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #21 on: 24 Jul 2010, 08:42 pm »
These cables are no where near $1,500.00.I would never pay that.

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #22 on: 24 Jul 2010, 11:16 pm »
What I noticed measuring my 4BSST at the speaker terminals was that different cords effected the response at around the rectifying frequency, that is above or below the 120 full wave frequency. I should mention that the Bryston tested flattest into the real speaker load on its own stock cord. Just sayin'.

In my estimation, there are three main types of cords:
1) Those that try to isolate a bit from the wall wiring; high inductance, higher resistance cords. May or may not be shielded.  Tends to reduced sense of mid to upper bass. Often interpreted as "better highs". No spectral difference is seen on the highs though. Ends up in non-eq'd systems with a bit too much mid to upper bass.

2) Those that try to maximise the connection to the wall; low inductance, low resistance. May or may not be shielded. Tend to increased sense of mid to upper bass, sometimes slam, depending on room characteristics. Can also be interpreted as "sloppy " in the bass if the room is already too hot at those frequencies.  Ends up in systems that seem a bit lean otherwise. Some amps have a better sense of "control" on such cables. That, to me, indicates poor power supply design.

3) Those that try to filter out noise, be it digital or other RF. Might be combined with cord 1. Good on RF puking gear like digital front ends and so on.

No power cord is going to deliver more power than the Romex in the wall can. 4 gauge power cords are just silly. Hell, so are 9 gauge cords imho.

On Brystons, I use the stock cords because every measurement on the amp was taken, or made, on stock cords. If I want the Bryston to sound like the Bryston I use what the factory tested the amp on!

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #23 on: 26 Jul 2010, 03:48 am »
Exactly. You gotta have some faith in the people that built the amp.

1oldguy

Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #24 on: 26 Jul 2010, 02:01 pm »
Exactly. You gotta have some faith in the people that built the amp.

Faith...Sounds like religion. 8)

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #25 on: 26 Jul 2010, 07:50 pm »
Faith...Sounds like religion. 8)

haha figure of speech. Then again, audiophilia is a religion!  :lol:

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #26 on: 27 Jul 2010, 09:43 pm »
Exactly. You gotta have some faith in the people that built the amp.

Heheh...well, only in amplifier companies that do real, serious, objective testing along with the listening. Bryston is among that elite.

Measurements keep the ear honest, the ear informs the measurements....

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #27 on: 27 Jul 2010, 11:08 pm »
Exactly, man.

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #28 on: 28 Jul 2010, 01:08 am »
When you say laid back ; is that more receeded rather than an  upfront front row sound? My ST is agressive but is that due to some a lack of refinment found in the sst squared model? I have also heard that the newer version is more "TUBE like" in the mids and highs. If this is the case then sign me up for an upgrade Thanks for any opinions.    :scratch:

rmurray

Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #29 on: 28 Jul 2010, 01:27 am »
What is meant by laidback. Is this less foreward in soundstaging?

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #30 on: 28 Jul 2010, 02:16 am »
Folks, how about you check this:

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-air.htm

Basically it tells you that, as they travel the air, the higher frequencies are attenuated more than the lower ones.

So if you want that "sitting in the last row" effect (i.e. you sit far from the source), you have to muffle the highs - or boost the lows. You can do this to some extent just by adjusting the speakers position - they will get more or less reinforcement from the adjacent walls in certain frequencies. Move them a couple of inches and the effect is way bigger than swapping cables. And it doesn't cost anything.

Nap.

Napalm

Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #31 on: 28 Jul 2010, 02:29 am »
^^^^ and this also suggests a legitimate use for tone controls.

Nap.  :wink:

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #32 on: 28 Jul 2010, 10:27 am »
Folks, how about you check this:

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-air.htm

Basically it tells you that, as they travel the air, the higher frequencies are attenuated more than the lower ones.

So if you want that "sitting in the last row" effect (i.e. you sit far from the source), you have to muffle the highs - or boost the lows. You can do this to some extent just by adjusting the speakers position - they will get more or less reinforcement from the adjacent walls in certain frequencies. Move them a couple of inches and the effect is way bigger than swapping cables. And it doesn't cost anything.

Nap.

"Constant configuration in normal air =  (Values stay equal over time and place)  nitrate (N2) 78.08 %"

Yes I have noticed if I increase the nitrate consentration in my listening room to 91% the mids sound amazing just before I pass out :D

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #33 on: 28 Jul 2010, 11:26 am »
"Constant configuration in normal aur =  (Values stay equal over time and place)  nitrate (N2) 78.08 %"

Yes I have noticed if I increase the nitrate consentration in my listening room to 91% the mids sound amazing just before I pass out :D

james

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #34 on: 28 Jul 2010, 12:06 pm »
Yes I have noticed if I increase the nitrate consentration in my listening room to 91% the mids sound amazing just before I pass out :D

My friend here knows how to prepare the perfect audition environment:



Nap.  :smoke:

Napalm

Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #35 on: 28 Jul 2010, 12:21 pm »
Alternatively you can try helium and get the saturation diving funny acoustics. Hip-hop becomes utterly hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5KdLfseWs

Nap.

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #36 on: 28 Jul 2010, 03:08 pm »
My friend here knows how to prepare the perfect audition environment:



Nap.  :smoke:

Ah yes.

werd

Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #37 on: 28 Jul 2010, 04:03 pm »
Just wondered if anyone else has noticed that the bass on the new 4BSST2 model sound a little bit more organic or mellow if that's the right term?  Have been listening to my new amp for a few months now and was comparing it to my old 4B ST model.  Definitely a much more well rounded amplifier and sounds great on all types of music but was wondering if anyone else has heard this?  The amp images like crazy and has plenty of punch too.  just sounds maybe a tad bit more laid back.

Dave

Hello

Just curious, what are you using for a preamp?

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #38 on: 28 Jul 2010, 07:49 pm »
Good question.

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Re: Bass quality on 4b SST2 Power Amp
« Reply #39 on: 29 Jul 2010, 01:51 am »
My friend here knows how to prepare the perfect audition environment:



Nap.  :smoke:

Nap save me Some  !!!

Robert