Verical listening axis for O3?

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BrianP

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Verical listening axis for O3?
« on: 21 Jul 2010, 08:44 pm »
Hello Danny and any O3 owners. This is more a theoretical question -- I don't have O3s, but built something "similar" awhile back, with Neo3 tweeters and some Peerless 5" midwoofers I got on sale. The Peerless have a rising HF response on-axis, but flatten out nicely at 90 degrees off axis (firing upward at the ceiling), with a -6dB point at 1780 Hz, before rolling off steeply. Thus I ran them full range (no lowpass filter), and highpassed the Neo 3s in 2nd order electrical, also -6dB at that frequency. I hear (and measure) a smooth, flat transition with an ear/mic axis exactly at the height of the upper cabinet edge, just above the tweeter and at precisely 90 degrees to the midwoofer. But because of the limited vertical dispersion of the Neo3, this axis is VERY critical. Much above it, and the treble drops off. Much below it, and there is a wide "sag" in the response from the midwoofer, due to being greater than 90 degrees off axis.

Even further back in the room, where late-arriving reflections (including from the ceiling) homogenize things a bit, I still hear notable shifts in tonal balance as I sit up straighter or slouch down. Do you notice similar phenomena with the O3s? If so, how do you address them?

Danny Richie

Re: Verical listening axis for O3?
« Reply #1 on: 21 Jul 2010, 10:17 pm »
I get the complete opposite. I get an even response all over the vertical range. See vertical off axis response of the O-3.



This is from only 1 meter away and moving the mic up 4" per measurement.

The trick is making sure the drivers are in phase on axis and in the vertical. That's not hard to do at a low crossover point like that, but you can't do that running the woofer full range.

I accomplish this by using a second order (basically) on the woofer and a third order crossover on the tweeter with the tweeters polarity reversed.

Danny Richie

Re: Verical listening axis for O3?
« Reply #2 on: 21 Jul 2010, 10:25 pm »
Also, this was the measurement of the original version with the shallow back cup tweeter. Looking back at the original one, it only used a second order crossover on the tweeter.

The newer version of this speaker uses the OEM version tweeter with the deep back cup. It's vertical off axis is even better still. It is the one with the third order crossover on the tweeter. I see that the inductor on the woofer is a little larger too.

emac

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Re: Verical listening axis for O3?
« Reply #3 on: 22 Jul 2010, 01:15 am »
Also, this was the measurement of the original version with the shallow back cup tweeter. Looking back at the original one, it only used a second order crossover on the tweeter.

The newer version of this speaker uses the OEM version tweeter with the deep back cup. It's vertical off axis is even better still. It is the one with the third order crossover on the tweeter. I see that the inductor on the woofer is a little larger too.

Interesting.  Hadn't realized that there were multiple versions of the O-3's. 

Either way, I agree w/ Danny that the O-3's are pretty clean left to right and up to down.  Much more so than most other speakers I've heard. 

Danny Richie

Re: Verical listening axis for O3?
« Reply #4 on: 22 Jul 2010, 01:40 am »
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Hadn't realized that there were multiple versions of the O-3's. 


Well, when I got ahold of the deep back cup version, I used them in everything. Then that required a crossover upgrade.