[Mag]

Yesterday my Amazon music shipment arrived!

I eagerly popped in the cd version of Fleetwood Mac-The Dance in the BCD-1, which I have and play regularly on DVD in my Sony NS9100ES.

As good as the dvd version is, the cd version played in the BCD-1 is clearly superior in resolution to dvd version.

 The BCD-1 converts 16 bit Redbook cd to Hi-Rez 24 bit for a truly exceptional high level of audio bliss.

Do we really need Hi-Rez downloads when if your system is fully optimized, Redbook cd delivers the goods?

[Napalm]

So you recently got a BCD-1 and didn't tell us about it?

 

Nap.

[bummrush]

red book is fine, its all in the recording in the first place.

[Napalm]

red book is fine, its all in the recording in the first place.

I fear so, I'm still waiting for the results of the McGill professor. Especially the part about comparing 16/24 44.1/96/192 audibility....

I think I'll bump that thread up....

Nap. 

[Mag]

So you recently got a BCD-1 and didn't tell us about it?

 

Nap.

I think as of July it's been 3 years since I purchased the BCD-1. There may have been better cd players on the market before, the BCD-1 has made Hi-Resolution obtainable for the average Joe.

[Mag]

I was listening to one of my new cds, Oscar Petterson Trio- Live at the Blue Note. All through the concert performance you can hear someone in the background humming along. For me it totally detracts my attention from the otherwise brilliant performance. You just want to choke the SOB for ruining the whole recording. I hope Oscar fired the guy, if he was one of the band members. Maybe it was Oscar humming along.

Is this the downside to hi-rez? You hear stuff you may not have noticed otherwise, that ruins the recording. I'll have to give it a spin in my other player and see if I can still hear the humming.

[Mag]

Okay, I listened to this recording again on my Sony. You can still hear the SOB humming only its less bothersome to the performance.

[James Tanner]

Okay, I listened to this recording again on my Sony. You can still hear the SOB humming only its less bothersome to the performance.

Yes it is Oscar.

james

[ted_b]

Is this the downside to hi-rez? You hear stuff you may not have noticed otherwise, that ruins the recording. I'll have to give it a spin in my other player and see if I can still hear the humming.

Yes, as resolution and detail improve, so do the warts of the recording....ah, but what great tone, harmonics, etc.  The good outweighs the bad.  Redbook has gottena bad rap over the years, but with the right equipment you can certainly find 16/44.1 stuff that is quite amazing.

That said, upsampling redbook to 24 bit is NOT hirez...just as upconverting standard DVD to 1080i is not BluRay.    It can be very enjoyable, but it ain't hirez.  The BCD-1 is likely the best redbook you may hear, but I ask you to try some native hirez files on a good hi-end DAC....wow.   

And Oscar likes to hum...but it's better than Keith Jarret's wailings. 

[Mag]

Yes it is Oscar.

james

Well, it's unfortunate that he passed away. I would have sent him a nasty E-mail!

[Mag]

>>That said, upsampling redbook to 24 bit is NOT hirez...just as upconverting standard DVD to 1080i is not BluRay.    It can be very enjoyable, but it ain't hirez.  The BCD-1 is likely the best redbook you may hear, but I ask you to try some native hirez files on something like a BDA-1....wow.    <<

Yes, I thought upscaled video to 1080p was pretty good 'til finally seeing real HD on HD cable TV.

I'll have to try Hi-Rez downloads when I get a BDA-1. I'm having second thoughts on a BDP-1, as I tend to listen to whole albums. May as well stick with just spinning a cd.

[Napalm]

Yes, I thought upscaled video to 1080p was pretty good 'til finally seeing real HD on HD cable TV.

Mag, you should note that video is always compressed (like mp3 for audio), there is no uncompressed video you can buy (the files would be too huge).

So apart from the resolution, the compression factor determines the quality of the video. You have to try Blu-Ray, it's usually less compressed than cable/sat TV.

Nap.

[Ronm1]

 The BCD-1 converts 16 bit Redbook cd to Hi-Rez 24 bit for a truly exceptional high level of audio bliss.

Do we really need Hi-Rez downloads when if your system is fully optimized, Redbook cd delivers the goods?

The BCD-1 is an excellent player, but IMHO its still not in the same league as the COMBAK REIYMO which, as I have mentioned in a diff thread betters, not equals my current digital rig.  Neither with well done redbook, which as you mention can be very, very good have to take a backseat to well done 2ch mlp dvda's or SACD's.  Again all IMHO of course. Course lets make sure the HIRES player is not an entry level unit either.

[Ronm1]

maybe being too sensitive as I created and moderate the HiRez Circle and am always trying to keep it within the Circle...i.e "hirez all the time". 

I think you are, my comparison was just trying to point out to the OP, that no matter how good the redbook h/w his, mine, best on the block, true mlp dvda will better it.  In the OP's case he was comparing faux dvd audio with his ES which will not decode the mlp protocol, to my knowledge.  DD or DTS was listen to, which is good but again is not the same league. All IMHO of course.

[Napalm]

Well, it's unfortunate that he passed away. I would have sent him a nasty E-mail!

 

[Napalm]

This really isn't the place (Bryston mfg's own circle) to be doing a "my player is better than a Bryston" response. 

NP, we're accustomed to that 

Nap. 

[Laundrew]

This really isn't the place (Bryston mfg's own circle) to be doing a "my player is better than a Bryston" response.  If you feel that the Reiymo is that good, I'd probably start a new thread in Audio or something.  Just my $.02...maybe being too sensitive as I created and moderate the HiRez Circle and am always trying to keep it within the Circle...i.e "hirez all the time". 

I always enjoy and look forward to other individuals opinions and most stimulating conversations concerning any audio equipment - perhaps with the exception of individuals whom bring “bodily fluids“ into the conversation. If an individual posts “Brand A” sounds better than “Brand B,” I have no issues with respect to this - audio is such a personal taste. 

It is, after all, the music that is most cherished for us.



Be well… 

[James Tanner]

I always enjoy and look forward to other individuals opinions and most stimulating conversations concerning any audio equipment - perhaps with the exception of individuals whom bring “bodily fluids“ into the conversation. If an individual posts “Brand A” sounds better than “Brand B,” I have no issues with respect to this - audio is such a personal taste. 

It is, after all, the music that is most cherished for us.



Be well…

AGREED

[Waker]

If an individual posts “Brand A” sounds better than “Brand B,” I have no issues with respect to this - audio is such a personal taste. 

NIce point, Laundrew.  When comparing makes and models, let's bear in mind price point.  I read a 2004 review of the Combak Reimyo--it sold for 14K even then--so yes, it should be something very special, as it was described as having been created not to meet a price point, but rather as a statement player--an all-out attack.  In contrast, most manufacturers' models begin as a vision that meets a price point, such as, "Let's build the best redbook CDP out there for 5K retail."  If that was your price range, you were fortunate to have found that CDP--you have done well.  There is no need to have buyer's remorse if you have accomplished your goals within budget. 

We also tend to defend the formats and products we have committed to.  I have invested a lot in getting the most from redbook, so perhaps I have a conditioned response to hirez claims, such as, I doubt most hirez fans have heard what is really on a redbook CD. They have not made the investment to rise above that "$500 sound."  So maybe they spent 1K on SACD, hoping that would be the end word.    Now, they have taken what is now a much easier path to DVDs, files and DACs. Fine, but I have been listening to great redbook for a long time now--my player always sounded better than SACD, but again, I had to spend for that sound.  Is my redbook player better than the new hirez? I don't know--haven't heard a good setup. I would expect to have to spend quite a bit for a good DAC, though.  I can't even understand the hirez lingo  .