Eastern Electric MiniMax Tube CD Player

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Bill O'Connell

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« on: 13 Feb 2004, 07:53 pm »
Hi Guys,

   Our new Tube CD Players should be at your local dealers by now. If your looking for a great digital front end please stop by as most of our dealers will let you home audition . I have been receiving some wonderful feedback as far as musicality and best bang for the buck in digital playback.
 Visit our website at: www.eeaudio.com and click on dealers to find one in your area.

 Just a word of Thanks for all your support also. This would have be impossible for an up and coming company like ourselves without your help.
Warmest Regards,
 Bill

Carlman

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« Reply #1 on: 13 Feb 2004, 09:36 pm »
Bill,
I received mine moments ago and plugged it in with the stock tubes per the instructions.  How long before it's burned in enough to do critical listening and/or comparisons?  Does it need to be playing constantly to burn in or just turned on?

Thanks,
Carl

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« Reply #2 on: 13 Feb 2004, 10:08 pm »
Hi Carlman,

     They sound pretty nice right out of the box. For critical listening I would give it about 50-100 hours. I would play it constantly just to make sure all the circuits burn in.
Regards,
 Bill

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« Reply #3 on: 13 Feb 2004, 11:42 pm »
Great News Bill!  Carlman, interested in your impressions after 50 to 100 hours.  Man, I've got the itch.:wink:

NB

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« Reply #4 on: 14 Feb 2004, 12:27 am »
OK, it's playing now... first impressions.... The first thing that has stood out is that it has great attack... plucks on guitar and piano strokes are immediate and startlingly real.  Very neat.  Also, it has a nice analog sound to it.

I like the fact that it came with white cotton gloves.  Great touch.  I don't like to touch tubes with my fingers cold or warm.. so, I thought that was really nice.

I'll be waiting for the burn-in to reveal more... but, those are my first  observations on what it does well.

One more question... the Minimax (Preamp and CDP)...

Do they invert phase or not?

-Carl

orthobiz

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« Reply #5 on: 14 Feb 2004, 01:02 am »
Can't seem to find it...what's this thing cost?

biz

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« Reply #6 on: 14 Feb 2004, 01:53 pm »
This from a seemingly happy new owner and poster over on Audio Asylum.

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WOW

I got the CD player (Eastern Electric MiniMax) I was looking for when I purchased the Jolida JD100 . As I Listened to the Jolida I thought Ok it'll open up and after some tube swapping it'll be fine. Well after a friend (none audio nut)said you know your turntable blows away that cdp I had had it. It was going to be replaced soon. Then JohnB asked about the new MiniMaxCD. Since I am a proud owner of the minimax I know what was next. Ordered one before the were in the country from Audio Connection (Verona NJ http://www.audioconnect.com/).

Well it came in yesterday and out of the box it sounds Great. I know it's going to get better but if it stays as is I would feel it was money well spent . The sound stage is full Ruben Blades was 3 ft in front of the piano (front and center to my gear)with the rythem section to the left and percussion in the rear off to the right a bit. Next in went The Colourfield lousy vocal tracks on most of the album (cd) but I know the sound and I can tell how close to the record it is . Wow very close . Bob Dylan is now playing and he sounds as good or bad as ever . This is a keeper . Audition it if you looking into a great cdp for a reasonable price.

Set up
VPI Scout w/ JMW9 arm Shelter 501 Cart
Ear Yoshino 834P deluxe phono stage
EE MiniMax Pre
EE MinMax CD
Rotel Tuner (older anolog)
Quicksilver KT88s w/tesla (KR not JJ) tubes
Vandersteens 3a
cables consist of
Zu cable WarMouth ICs
Gede ICs
Bok power cord (on cdp)
Wax Bi Wired (2 sets)
Audio Mirror power on the Pre and phono
Hope I turn someone on to decent equiptment for us budget concious

Audio nuts
Roger



Carlman,

The Minimax preamp does invert phase.  The CDP?

Orthobiz,

The Eastern Electric CDP retails for $1350.

Enjoy and keep posting your impressions.  My Pioneer PD-65 is looking for a replacement. :wink:
NB

rosconey

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« Reply #7 on: 14 Feb 2004, 05:41 pm »
retail is 1350 -whats street price :?:

Carlman

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« Reply #8 on: 14 Feb 2004, 06:21 pm »
I just did an experiement and determined the following:

If this is true:
MM Pre inverts  and if
MM CD inverts;
Speaker terminal/wire connection should match ( red/red blk/blk (Left and Right) )

But the CDP images better and has better bass when the speakers are red/blk red/blk.

So, the CDP probably does not invert phase but, I would've expected it because of the tube output.

Conversely, when I use the Decware and my own CDP/DAC combo, the red/red black/black combination yields best results.

I can also play with the polarity of the AC on my amp because I have a 3-way switch, polarity 1, off, polarity 2.  Oh the choices... ;)

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« Reply #9 on: 14 Feb 2004, 06:29 pm »
Can someone give me a quick idea what to do about phase inverting? I have a minimax. Thanks for any advice.

warnerwh

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« Reply #10 on: 14 Feb 2004, 07:46 pm »
"Can someone give me a quick idea what to do about phase inverting? I have a minimax. Thanks for any advice."
All you  have to do is change your speaker wires from pos to pos, to pos to neg. Done.

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« Reply #11 on: 14 Feb 2004, 07:55 pm »
thanks warnerwh. do you happen to know if the stratos or sony dvp9000es does? I'll try switching the speaker wires and see what I hear. Out of curiosity why does equipment do that? Is it only high end gear?

John Casler

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« Reply #12 on: 15 Feb 2004, 01:19 am »
Drat :evil:

Got the dreaded "yellow slip" from UPS Friday saying they'll be back on Monday with the CDP

What a waste of a weekend.

nature boy

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« Reply #13 on: 15 Feb 2004, 01:56 am »
Drat is right John.  Thirty lashes with a wet noodle.

NB

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« Reply #14 on: 15 Feb 2004, 03:01 am »
Here I thought only FED EX pulled that sh*t. :roll: :lol: Regards, Robin

orthobiz

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« Reply #15 on: 15 Feb 2004, 01:37 pm »
It looks cool, thanks for the price info.

I have a 1987 Van Alstine modded Philips player, from the Pleistocene era. It's harsh and I had thought of hooking up a DAC instead of buying a new CD player thinking I could move the DAC over to a transport later. But then I think of a new unit, especially because digital equipment doesn't become "classic" like analog. I have a Van Alstine hybrid tube amp 440EXR with modded/rebuilt Dahlquists and am using a Transcendence (formerly Dynaco) transistor unit until my T7 hybrid tube preamp comes.

Sorry, but I have a lot of questions.

So I'm thinking tubes, the Eastern Electric looks to be constructed with the tubes in mid from the get-go, no?

Is there a more detailed description of it somewhere? For instance, I assume it has a hookup for digital out? And that hookup bypasses the existing tubes?

It's made in China: is there a rule of thumb for how much cheaper a Chinese unit is compared to "constructed elsewhere?" Like it would cost 2000 if made here?

Did I miss info about a remote?

At that price point I'm obviously thinking about Jolida, Ah! Njoe Tjoeb, RAM Response Audio. Those are heavily modified units; is the EE based on another "existing" unit or is the chassis its own?

Sorry for the length but I'll bet some other circlephiles have at least thought about some of these questions.

Thanks for your time!

biz

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« Reply #16 on: 15 Feb 2004, 09:28 pm »
Quote from: maxwalrath
thanks warnerwh. do you happen to know if the stratos or sony dvp9000es does? I'll try switching the speaker wires and see what I hear. Out of curiosity why does equipment do that? Is it only high end gear?

maxwalrath,

the stratos and stock dvp9000es do not invert phase.

John Casler

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« Reply #17 on: 16 Feb 2004, 10:28 pm »
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Drat  

Got the dreaded "yellow slip" from UPS Friday saying they'll be back on Monday with the CDP



Strangely enough "FedEx" brought the MiniMax CD player just about an hour ago.

Oh Yeah, it's already in the system and playing away.


Straight out of the box impressions:

Rich - this thing is much richer than my Denon, my Luxman, my Harmon Kardon, or my Rotel.  On Johnny Cash's last album, his voice is old and raw.  This player gives it just enough richness to "hear through" his present voice and hear the man inside.

The guitars are also very rich sounding and fuller without losing a bit of detail.

Piano is very rich sounding now with nice warm overtones.  (although some of the Diana Krall riffs are still a little over modulated)

Bass - the Bass is also richer.  It is also so big, deep and dynamic that I had to turn it down "one click" on the X-2 (crossover)

Meaty, Beaty, Big and Bouncy, might describe the Bass of this thing on the Bela Fleck & Flecktone's cut of Flight of the Cosmic Hippo.  My couch is vibrating...Oh Yeah! :o

Male Voice - My biggest challenge was to get Josh Roban to sound the way I felt he should in his louder passages.  No matter what I did, I still seemed to get a bit of "grain" or sibilance at the very loudest SPLs.

This too is mostly gone to the point that I think anything else that I'm hearing is in the mike modulation

True tests: (well of course nothing is a true test, but these do tell you how "real" something can sound.

#1 The audience clapping on "A Case of You" by Diana Krall.  With most CD players, it sounds more like a cacophany of rain on a tin roof and people whistling and shouting.  With this player, it sounds like applause (although recorded "WAY" too loud)

#2 The finger snapping of Krall on a cut called "My Love".  While most players will allow you to hear her moving her fingers closer to and further away from the mike as she turns and looks at the Bass Player, this MiniMax make the snaps sound "very real" in comparison, by softening them to sound like they really do, rather than dry and brittle.

Soundstage:  Hold on to your hearing aids, this (along with depth and imaging) is one of my favorite things and this player certainly places the instruments and sounds across the stage with accuracy and stable precision.

On my favorite cut on the "BlackLight Syndrome" CD, it is remarkable how it moved some instruments away from the speakers.

And all this with no warm up or break in!! :wink:

Let me get at least 50 hours on this baby, and I'll be happy I became a dealer.

If I had one little nit to pick it would be the "feel" of the remote.  The buttons actually feel like they "click".  Don't worry I'll get over it, if it keeps sounding this good..

So anyone in Los Angeles, Southern CA, or if you are visiting, vacationing or for some reason "in the area";

Buzz me up and stop in for a listen.  This is a very cool little CDP in my system and room.

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« Reply #18 on: 16 Feb 2004, 10:29 pm »
Hi Biz,

   The Eastern Electric MiniMax Tube CD Player does have a digital output which will bypass the tube analog outputs.
 The remote control is made out of a solid block of aluminum and has some weight to it . From the feedback I have received they like the layout of the remote . The buttons you would use to select next track and play are offset a little . Fits in the palm of your hand comfortably.
 We incorporate a Philips transport mechanism with a Burr Brown HDCD chip, besides that the MiniMax is a unit that Alex Yeung designed and its housing is of his creation.
 Build quality, fit & finish are excellent.
 The volume control is for the headphone jack only as its output also goes threw the tubes. Its a great headphone amp also.
 The tubes are accessable from the rear of the machine so tube rolling is made easy. There are a pair of tube shields that come off easily with a push and a turn of an eighth of an inch.
  The factory where all the Eastern Electric Audio Products are manufactured has an average employee with 10 years of service so we think our quality control is second to none. No rookies .
  Hope this helps. I sent a couple of CD Players to AC members and hopefully they will comment soon on its sound and build quality.
 Kindest Regards,
 Bill

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« Reply #19 on: 16 Feb 2004, 11:18 pm »
Yessiiireee Bob (Bill),

Just spent a few more minutes with the unit (Lucky me I have my demo room next to my office)

Well it is now at least "warmed up" and I am hearing the old "I never heard it like that", sounds.

For Example on Bruce Hornsby's, "And That's Just the Way It Is"  which has some great piano, what I never heard, quite this well, is the "wet slap" of the kick pedal on the Bass Drum (Kick Drum).  You can actually hear the "slap".  Now that is detail!!

Also I just heard Zepplin's "Stairway to Heaven" like I've never heard it.

More at 11:00... :mrgreen: