Canadian DMCA

Napalm · « **on:** 31 May 2010, 04:08 pm »

Will we have one, sounds like RIAA and MPAA are pushing hard for it?

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/816647--copyright-consumer-versus-artists?bn=1

BTW there is a HUGE difference between DMCA and copyright laws. As Michael Geist has noticed, "the digital lock would trump any of the existing rights under the copyright act". So if a CD has the "no copy" bit set, it can be construed as a digital lock. Ripping it to your BDP-1 would be OK under normal copyright laws, but DMCA would trump it and criminalize you for "breaking the lock".

Yet another reason to not buy CDs from RIAA and go for hi-rez downloads (the legal ones of course).....

Nap.

P.S. BTW, EAC would become illegal in Canada (because it ignores the "no copy" bit). Installing EAC on your computer would be a criminal act.

Mag · « **Reply #1 on:** 31 May 2010, 04:41 pm »

Was it illegal for the British to intercept German messages and decode them on captured Enigma machines, once they figured out how the machine worked?

Was illegal for the American's to decode Japanese messages and feed them false information about Midway?

I say if its in the public domain and you have the ability to decode crypted data, then its fair game. Or is it only legal in war?

If this is too political please delete.

Napalm · « **Reply #2 on:** 31 May 2010, 04:46 pm »

That was war between different nations Mag. Currently we're not at war with US.

The most interesting implication is that Canadian manufacturers of audio/video equipment (like Bryston, eh?) would need to make sure that their products do not "break any existing lock". Certification and licensing from RIAA/MPAA anyone? So we cannot be sued later? Anyone here remembers that you had to have a Macrovision chip if you wanted to manufacture a VCR?

James already knows how that works when licensing HDMI/HDCP, but this would bring it to a completely new dimension.

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Mag · « **Reply #3 on:** 31 May 2010, 05:01 pm »

If the Germans build a box that can only read their codes, so nobody else can read it 'cept they have their box. Then somebody comes along that has the ability to read their code transmitted over public airwaves. Why is it illegal if someone is smart enough to crack the code?

So if I'ze get a locked cd and figure out how to unlock it, so I'ze can read it. Why is that illegal?

Napalm · « **Reply #4 on:** 31 May 2010, 05:06 pm »

Quote from: Mag on 31 May 2010, 05:01 pm

If the Germans build a box that can only read their codes, so nobody else can read it 'cept they have their box. Then somebody comes along that has the ability to read their code transmitted over public airwaves. Why is it illegal if someone is smart enough to crack the code?

So if I'ze get a locked cd and figure out how to unlock it, so I'ze can read it. Why is that illegal?

Because the Germans say so and if you don't comply they will hit you with import tariffs and 50% of your international trade is with them. But let's do the political comments at The Star site and keep here the discussion about how it would impact stuff such as BDP-1 and SP3.

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Mag · « **Reply #5 on:** 31 May 2010, 05:17 pm »

If the music industry can't see that the developement of the BDP-1. Will be the breakthrough that brings audio into the computer age. The skies the limit on what will be capable with computer based audio.

If the industry puts the kibash on that, IMO they'll be slicing their own throats. That's why stocking up on cd is the thing to do. Once the RIAA goes belly up, there'll be an open market for entrepeneurs to exploit.

Napalm · « **Reply #6 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 02:05 pm »

Update:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100602/3consumertech/copyright_act_quicklist

"Perhaps the most important element of the new bill is that it would make it illegal to break a digital lock. In other words, you could no longer download a program to get a DVD bought in Europe to work in Canada. Individuals also could not create, import or sell devices or software that breaks digital locks. The penalty for individuals would range from $100 to $5,000."

Nap.

P.S. There is an exception for unlocking cellphones only. Also format shifting for personal use (i.e. converting wav to mp3 for your player) is deemed legal. However the existence of encryption or lock would trump this right. Technically even Windows Media Player would be illegal since it will ignore ("break") the "no-copy" bit on commercial music CDs, and will rip them to your HD with wild abandon.

The only legal way to use the BDP-1 would be through purchase of legal downloads of music files that are free of any encryption or "locks".

If you think this is wrong and you should be able to transfer your music from your legally acquired CDs to the BDP-1, call your MP and explain your case.

P.P.S. Details here:

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4580265&Language=e&Mode=1

P.P.P.S. Funny it results that once you have (inadvertently) installed the Sony Rootkit it would be illegal to remove it.

JRace · « **Reply #7 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 04:22 pm »

The way I read it, as long as the CD is not protected, or you can copy it to your computer without breaking the encryption scheme then it shouldn't be illegal.

Forgive my ignorance here...but not all CD's are encrypted right?

Just what we need, another law that does nothing to reduce crime.

Napalm · « **Reply #8 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 04:32 pm »

Quote from: JRace on 3 Jun 2010, 04:22 pm

The way I read it, as long as the CD is not protected, or you can copy it to your computer without breaking the encryption scheme then it shouldn't be illegal.

Forgive my ignorance here...but not all CD's are encrypted right?

Just what we need, another law that does nothing to reduce crime.

All audio CD's are having a bit in the subcode indicating copy permission. It would be equivalent to the "broadcast flag" bit. Information here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc_subcode

I am old enough to remember the first generations of computer CD units. They would honor this "copy flag" bit i.e. if the bit was set, they would fail a sector read command. All you were able to do with them, when bit was set, was to play audio CDs via the analog outputs. Later generations ignored this bit letting you to "rip" the CD. Basically they are circumventing the "lock" - which now would be illegal to do. BTW virtually all the commercial music CDs have this bit set to "no copy allowed".

Note that this was part of the CD Audio standard since day 1 and all CDs have it.

In the hands of a good lawyer this would be a dangerous weapon.

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JRace · « **Reply #9 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 07:44 pm »

Hmmm...I re-read that article, and its states:

Quote

At the moment anyone who compresses CD music to an MP3 format for his or her own use is actually breaking the law, which Clements says everyone recognizes doesn’t make sense with today’s insatiable appetite to have the latest and greatest at one’s fingertips.

So that reads as the current laws state that if you put the CD on your computer now, (not after the new bill is passed) your are a criminal.

So, in the interest of full disclosure to the Bryston circle...
I AM A CRIMINAL.
Lock me up folks, cause I have been bad.

edited to decrease chance of this topic going too far off the deep end...

Napalm · « **Reply #10 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 10:05 pm »

More about what's happening and what you can do about it:

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/

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Mag · « **Reply #11 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 10:11 pm »

I suspect a lot of Canadians are criminals and don't even know it.

As I understand one clause, let's say you ripped your cds to your computer HD. Then sold the originals to the pawn shop. You are breaking the law by having possession of copied material, without having proof of the original purchased cd. You must trash copies.

So I'm wondering if you purchase legal music downloads. What proof do you get that the download is legal, is the file tagged? Without proof of purchase you would also have to trash legal downloads.

Is this a correct interpretation of the new copyright law?

Napalm · « **Reply #12 on:** 3 Jun 2010, 10:40 pm »

Quote from: Mag on 3 Jun 2010, 10:11 pm

I suspect a lot of Canadians are criminals and don't even know it.

As I understand one clause, let's say you ripped your cds to your computer HD. Then sold the originals to the pawn shop. You are breaking the law by having possession of copied material, without having proof of the original purchased cd. You must trash copies.

So I'm wondering if you purchase legal music downloads. What proof do you get that the download is legal, is the file tagged? Without proof of purchase you would also have to trash legal downloads.

Is this a correct interpretation of the new copyright law?

Yes it is. Keep all receipts.....

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Napalm · « **Reply #13 on:** 5 Jun 2010, 03:13 am »

Such parodies would be illegal to make if the law passes:

(Warning: some coarse language - viewer discretion advised)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzUoWkbNLe8

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Napalm · « **Reply #14 on:** 16 Jun 2010, 02:24 am »

Some more fun, while it lasts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYk8ofhYFY

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Napalm · « **Reply #15 on:** 24 Jun 2010, 03:39 am »

Interesting development, according to Mr. James Moore, wanting to be able to legally use a BDP-1 could classify you as a "radical extremist":

http://video.itworldcanada.com/?bcpid=7044989001&bctid=101481423001

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/06/23/copyright-heritage-minister-moore.html

What's next, being put on a "no flight" list?

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Napalm · « **Reply #16 on:** 5 Jul 2010, 02:22 am »

Bump:

"So, Britain, rejoice. It's not just our government that can be bullied into voting against the public interest by big content's power-brokers"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jun/29/canada-copyright-digital-economy

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Elizabeth · « **Reply #17 on:** 5 Jul 2010, 03:03 am »

I used to rip CDs I owned. Then I actually destroyed all of the copies. Cut 'em up. Why bother with taking chances. i keep buying used CDs. Got about 3,000 now, along with the 6,000 Lps and a few thousand DVD movies. I do not worry because I keep the discs, AND play them. Computer playback, for me, is a ways off. When hi-rez downloads are common, I 'might' go for a media computer setup. The big trouble with computer stuff is if it breaks. you are out your stuff. And yes I know about a separate drive, and extra drives, and some folks STILL get SOL on the deal.
If my 6,000 Lps and 3,000 Cds were in a device that could die at any time, or decide to refuse access for some new rule made up by RIAA crazies.. (who managed to get the software co to impliment an 'update' that cut off my access..) Jeez.
And THAT can and probably WILL happen.. sooner or later. So using a computer for music storage is a bit too iffy for my taste,what with the RIAA, and various laws in place or getting passed, or being thought up as we comment.
I mean if one wants to take the chance..fine.. i would not.

werd · « **Reply #18 on:** 5 Jul 2010, 03:11 am »

RIAA claims more money has been stolen than the entire monetary wealth of the world....hehe

http://www.cracked.com/funny-4003-the-pirate-bay/

satire but factual

werd · « **Reply #19 on:** 5 Jul 2010, 03:27 am »

Quote from: Napalm on 24 Jun 2010, 03:39 am

Interesting development, according to Mr. James Moore, wanting to be able to legally use a BDP-1 could classify you as a "radical extremist":

http://video.itworldcanada.com/?bcpid=7044989001&bctid=101481423001

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/06/23/copyright-heritage-minister-moore.html

What's next, being put on a "no flight" list?

Nap.

james moore is a dbag and needs to take a long nap. He basically has no clue what is going on. He needs the RIAA to write his legislation. Can't think for himself the fat piece of fricken cow..........