U70 and Magneplanars?

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simon wagstaff

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U70 and Magneplanars?
« on: 11 Mar 2010, 02:09 pm »
Does anybody have any experience with a U70 and Magneplanars?  I know that supposedly they take a lot of current but tubes watts are different.

I am kind of checking out the new 1.7. I have a fairly small room but the side walls are well away. I would run them with my pair of subs and would cross over the U70 at 80 hz or even higher.

Just wondering if anybody has tried the U70 with any of the Maggies. There is a local dealer and in the near future I am thinking about taking my U70 down there and checking it out. Being a dealer he said to me, and not very nicely, be sure that I am ready to buy if I come down there with my amp. so fair enough, i will need to be ready to buy and any input would be appreciated.

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #1 on: 11 Mar 2010, 02:43 pm »
Being a dealer he said to me, and not very nicely, be sure that I am ready to buy if I come down there with my amp. so fair enough, i will need to be ready to buy and any input would be appreciated.

If a dealer said that to me I'd find another dealer.  What happens if it is NOT a good match, or the Maggies don't sound good in his place (I have seen that happen)?  Do you still HAVE to buy them? :duh: :nono: :roll:
Does he want one sale or one long-term customer?  Most successful B&M stores I deal with, audio-related or not, do well because they have a loyal customer base, many of whom become friends and the best advertisements you can have.

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #2 on: 11 Mar 2010, 03:00 pm »
The Ultimate 70 will drive Maggies at reasonable listening levels, but does not have enough power for those big Telarc orchestral passages.

I suggest you consider Jim Salk's Songtowers or HT2TL speakers.  (www.salksound.com)  Remember that the senior editor of The Absolute Sound reported the the combination of the Ultravalve amplifier and Songtowers were the best bargain at the recent Rocky Mountain Audio Fest, and we were competing with over two hundreds demo rooms full of high end equipment.

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #3 on: 11 Mar 2010, 03:15 pm »
and in the near future I am thinking about taking my U70 down there and checking it out. Being a dealer he said to me, and not very nicely, be sure that I am ready to buy if I come down there with my amp. so fair enough, i will need to be ready to buy and any input would be appreciated.

I'd find another dealer too. This one obviously doesn't understand how to treat customers.

I could understand it if he wanted to have your amp put on the bench first to make sure it wouldn't damage his speakers, but other than that he should be tickled pink that you're interested enough to drag your amp in.


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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #4 on: 11 Mar 2010, 03:20 pm »
Well, I sort of have an itch for something different than cone drivers, I am very happy with my Infinities. I used to have a pair of Apogee Duetta Signatures and maybe I miss them.

He just sort of sounded like one of those crotchety old fellows "I have been in the audio business for 38 years"...

We don't know anybody like that, do we?

:)

I will be sitting in the near field, 6-8 feet at most away. Still think if I cross the U70 over at 120 hz (too high I know but I have those stereo subs) and control my listening volume I may be in good shape. If I don't like them or I don't get enough volume, then I won't buy them, regardless of what the guy thinks.

Of course the other option is another U70. it will be a month at least but I may go check them out and will report back. thanks for the feedback!

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #5 on: 11 Mar 2010, 03:56 pm »

I will be sitting in the near field, 6-8 feet at most away. Still think if I cross the U70 over at


That's awfully close for panel speakers. Is your listening room small?

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #6 on: 11 Mar 2010, 08:04 pm »
Before you go down the Maggie route, it would be a good idea to get (or buy) a SPL meter and check what your max volume requirement is and what would be your normal listening level. Even that Telarc climax might be less volume for you than the next guy. If your normal level is 83 to 85db for example, then the 35 watts or so from the Ultravalve would probably work.

I have a pair of 3.6R's and used a single 75Watt tube amp for awhile with no longing for WAY more power. I bi-amp now (with that same 75 watt amp on the highs). :)

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #7 on: 11 Mar 2010, 08:43 pm »
I'm kind of agreeing with turkey... If I wanted to get away from cones in a nearfield arrangement, I might look at something with ribbons rather than planars.

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #8 on: 12 Mar 2010, 12:39 am »
Well, I sort of have an itch for something different than cone drivers, I am very happy with my Infinities.

The Salk Songtowers can be upgraded to ribbon tweeters for $700 more (the black finish speaker is $1695/pr with cone tweeters).

Tom

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #9 on: 12 Mar 2010, 02:38 am »
The Salk Songtowers can be upgraded to ribbon tweeters for $700 more (the black finish speaker is $1695/pr with cone tweeters).

Tom

I just checked out the Salk website.  I couldn't find any info about upgrading to ribbon tweeters.  Where do I need to look?   :scratch:

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #10 on: 12 Mar 2010, 03:01 am »

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #11 on: 12 Mar 2010, 12:19 pm »
Not that it matters, I believe that the MG 1.7 is  two way "quasi-ribbon"  Thanks for all the input. Will probably be several weeks but I will go check them out and drag over my U70. I will respect the dealers wishes and be prepared to buy if I like what I hear, but won't if I don't.

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #12 on: 12 Mar 2010, 01:01 pm »
Some thoughts.  I am a long-time maggie owner (tympany 1(U)) and a long-time AVA owner.

As far as power goes, you'll have enough except, as Franko notes, for the loud passages.  I wouldn't try to artificially create a smaller demand by bumping up the crossover frequency on the subs.  That's just a performance tradeoff, and, while it's hard to predict, it may  not be a good one.  Subs tend to be best at the very bottom, and when you raise the frequencies they need to handle, they tend to call attention to themselves.

Despite owning maggies for 30+ years, I don't really like them that much.  And they tend to not perform well at all in small rooms.  T-1s in a 10x10 were painfully cramped, and MMGs in an 11x14 room were simply dreadful.

While there is certainly a subculture of people who are big, and extremely vocal, fans of maggies - there are better planar magnetic speakers out there.  VMPS and Eminent Technology come to mind.  There at least you have push-pull drivers so your distortion is a lot less.  And true ribbon tweeters are definitely better than "quasi" ribbon tweeters which, by the way, are not actually ribbon tweeters.  The VMPS and ET are also more efficient than magnepan, so will mate better with a U70.

The "best" small-room (10x10) speaker system that I have owned was a pair of biro L/1s with a sub.

I am not convinced that dragging your amp to the dealer's to listen to the 1.7s in his room will tell you anything at all about how they will sound in your room.


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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #13 on: 12 Mar 2010, 03:08 pm »
Certainly interested in the VMPS as well. And perhaps this is all for naught though an interesting discussion.

Listened to the Infinity 4.1 last night and sometimes things just sound VERY good. Goosebumps galore, and you can't ask for more than that.
thanks for the replies!

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #14 on: 14 Mar 2010, 06:20 am »
I own a pair of Maggie 1.6's and heard a pair of 1.7's at Audio Perfection here in Minneapolis.  I've also heard a pair of Salk Song Towers and they don't even come close to sounding as good as the 1.6/1.7's.  With that being said, the Maggies do like power if you like to play your music loud, especially with dynamic music.  I went from a 226wpc adcom to a 400wpc Parasound amp and the diffence is quite noticable at loud volumes.  But with your near field listening and your dual sub configuration you should be ok.  However, the 1.6's will produce very nice tight musical bass down to 40Hz and maybe a little lower.  I think if you cut them off at 80Hz you will be missing some of that nice Maggie sound.  I found my Maggies sound the best when I set my sub at 40Hz. I no longer use my sub however.

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #15 on: 14 Mar 2010, 02:44 pm »
Greyhound,,,,,,What was your impression of the 1.6 compared to the 1.7's??

Thanx a lot,,,
Mel

PS,,,,Still have that upgraded T-8 DAC if interested $550 delivered!!

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #16 on: 14 Mar 2010, 03:03 pm »
I have a U70 and a pair of Maggie 3.6's.  The U70 does a great job at reasonable levels and near field but, it just doesn't have the power for high levels or large crescendo's.  I also have an OmegaStarEX 440H and it has the power and authority to drive the Maggies very well. I have thought about a pair of U70's with the Maggies but they are a 4 ohm load and a pair of U70's will not drive a 4 ohm load very well (each channel accutally see's a 2 ohm load). I use the U70 with Rogers LS3/5a's. 

I am very intered in hearing the 1.7's. 

Dave

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Re: U70 and Magneplanars?
« Reply #17 on: 14 Mar 2010, 10:22 pm »
When I heard the 1.7's, they sounded very similar to the 1.6's.  The main difference was the treble which was more refined with slightly better dispesion probably dueto its super tweeter.  Unfortunately I was not able to do an A-B comparison.