Wall receptacles

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sts9fan

Wall receptacles
« on: 19 Feb 2010, 01:35 pm »
I am doing some electrical work in what will be a room with a new system.  I want to put in a couple of good outlets and was looking at Hubbell stuff.  The question is do I want isolated ground or is the regulars ok?
Here are a few I have been looking at.
http://www.drillspot.com/products/42091/Hubbell_HBL8300R_Straight_Blade_Receptacle
http://www.drillspot.com/products/125120/Hubbell_IG8300_Isolated_Ground_Receptacle

Then the question is do they all need to be isolated ground?

BPT

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Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #1 on: 19 Feb 2010, 01:51 pm »
The only time you would want an isolated ground receptacle is if the outlet boxes are made of metal and connected to the mains panel via metal conduit.
Chris H.

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Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #2 on: 19 Feb 2010, 01:54 pm »
nope and nope.  Thanks Chris.

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Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #3 on: 19 Feb 2010, 01:55 pm »
I'm putting in two isolated ground receptacles for my system.  However, it's a pain in the buttocks.  You have to use metallic tubing from the breaker box all the way to the metal outlet box.  There is some indication that (even though not technically called for by the NEC) one should also run a ground from the breaker box to the metal outlet box. Theoretically, the metallic tubing should be grounded, but in case there's a break in the tubing (very, very unlikely in my situation), there's a ground at the outlet box. 

In my situation, this is made even harder because of where the breaker box is and where the metallic tubing has to run. 

One day, I'll post pictures.

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Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #4 on: 19 Feb 2010, 03:21 pm »
STS,

Personally, I find the Hubbell HBL8300 standard hospital grade outlets subjectively 'forward'. It might be due to its nickel plated contacts. If you still want a hospital grade outlet, an alternative would be the HBL8300H, which is a compact version with unplated contacts and back strap.
http://www.drillspot.com/products/129820/Hubbell_HBL8300HR_Straight_Blade_Receptacle
Porter Ports are a cryoed version of the HBL8300H.

My subjective preference is the HBL5362 industrial specification grade outlet,  which is physically like the HBL8300, but doesn't have nickel plated contacts or backstrap.
http://www.drillspot.com/products/133914/Hubbell_HBL5362R_Duplex_Receptacle

FWIW,
Paul

PS - you can get any of these Hubbell outlets at better prices at stayonline.com

sts9fan

Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #5 on: 19 Feb 2010, 03:26 pm »
Thanks Paul.  I will take your word for it and go with your preference. 

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Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #6 on: 19 Feb 2010, 05:16 pm »
good thing stayonline is half the price.  $17 to ship 5 receptacles is BS. 

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Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #7 on: 19 Feb 2010, 07:07 pm »
I'm putting in two isolated ground receptacles for my system.  However, it's a pain in the buttocks.  You have to use metallic tubing from the breaker box all the way to the metal outlet box.  There is some indication that (even though not technically called for by the NEC) one should also run a ground from the breaker box to the metal outlet box. Theoretically, the metallic tubing should be grounded, but in case there's a break in the tubing (very, very unlikely in my situation), there's a ground at the outlet box.
In my situation, this is made even harder because of where the breaker box is and where the metallic tubing has to run.
One day, I'll post pictures.
While running a ground wire inside the metallic tubing is a good belt & suspenders policy, the isolated ground wire fulfills this need.  The metallic tubing is now isolated from any circuit functions.

By the way,  the metallic tubing can carry way more fault current than the safety wire.

Don_S

Re: Wall receptacles
« Reply #8 on: 19 Feb 2010, 08:01 pm »
good thing stayonline is half the price.  $17 to ship 5 receptacles is BS.

I don't want to hijack the thread but I would like to add that Stayonline and their sub-site http://www.buypowergear.com/default.aspx are great sources for various adapters.  I bought a bunch of their adapters that fit on the IEC end of an audio power cord and convert it to a standard three prong (female) termination just like a normal extension cord.  This allows the user to plug in lamps and other electrical equipment to burn the cord in.  I think I paid something like $3 a piece (with very reasonable shipping) while "audiophile" sites charge $16 or more each and too much for shipping.  Sorry but they moved the part or I would supply the direct link. My link does not work anymore and a search with the part number (think it was 1422) came up empty.  They also carry numerous other adapters.