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« Reply #20 on: 20 Feb 2010, 11:35 am »
James,

will the SP3 accept the BDP when connected via its digital xlr connection?

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« Reply #21 on: 20 Feb 2010, 12:04 pm »
James,

will the SP3 accept the BDP when connected via its digital xlr connection?

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Hi Al,

Yes as long as it is a PCM digital signal.

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« Reply #22 on: 20 Feb 2010, 12:30 pm »
James

Couple questions

Will the BDP-1 resemble a BDA-1 with less buttons and a USB port on the front panel

Will it be compatible with BR-2 remote

Do you have ball - park price worked out for it ...  :eyebrows:

Hi nikon,

Yes the player will cosmetically match the BDA-1 external DAC

I will ask on the remote question - I know it will have RS232

We are aiming for $2,000 US list.

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Re: Music Server
« Reply #23 on: 20 Feb 2010, 07:26 pm »
Hi James,

If this is considered a music server, then how does it storage the information and how is the information transferred to it?

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« Reply #24 on: 20 Feb 2010, 07:44 pm »
Hi James,

If this is considered a music server, then how does it storage the information and how is the information transferred to it?

Luigi

Hi Luigi,

No on board storage - the information (digital file) comes from a USB source or a NAS drive.


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« Reply #25 on: 20 Feb 2010, 07:49 pm »
Hi Luigi,

No on board storage - the information (digital file) comes from a USB source or a NAS drive.


james

Hi James

How much power are you going to use to run it? A lithium battery attachment would be very nice.

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« Reply #26 on: 20 Feb 2010, 09:00 pm »
Hi James

How much power are you going to use to run it? A lithium battery attachment would be very nice.

Hi Werd,

We are looking at that now and we think we will do as we did in the BDA-1 and the BCD-1 an use a very high quality linear analog dual power supply to separate the analog and digital circuits completely - still testing.

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« Reply #27 on: 21 Feb 2010, 02:12 pm »
Hi James,

Will Bryston think about producing a CD ripper of sorts which will ensure top quality CD rips?  So far, I am ripping my CDs using a laptop to a portable hard disk.

The following extract is from NAIM AUDIO's white paper on Sound Rip Technology and it talks about the importance of ripping process.  If this is true then, then quality of the rip can already be compromised before it reaches an audiophile media player like the Bryston BDP-1.  Anyway, I thought this will be an interesting read for all.  I hope it's ok to "cut and paste" contents from other makers here.
 
2. CD Ripping
The audio playback out of a hard disc server is dependent on the quality of the system that extracted the audio from the CD. Although CD ripping is not a new concept, to extract the audio so it is identical to the content of the CD is quite a challenge.
The key issues are:
2.1 Ensuring audio is extracted bit perfect, with ability to detect when a track is unreadable due to physical damage.
Naim uses a ‘secure’ sync locked ripping system that uses the specialist CD mechanisms error detection system, cache free hardware and a multi-read strategy. This ensures we get the audio data from CD to hard disc exactly the same as the original CD master made in the studio. Most PC based systems use ‘burst mode’ extraction, which may be quick (2-3mins per CD), but the quality of the resultant audio files can be less than desirable.
2.2 The lead in (the gap before the track) and lead out (the gap after the track) is captured for accurate ‘gapless’ playback of the ripped CD.
The lead-in and lead-out times are accurately measured and this gap is recorded onto the start and end of each audio file on the hard drive. The audio replay engine plays the files back the gaps (or no gaps) between each track identically to the original CD. Most servers do not capture this correctly and typically add a fixed gap between tracks, which on some recordings ruins the flow of the music on the album.
2.3 High compatibility with copy protected CD’s, which are now commonplace in the market.
Naim uses custom firmware in the audio mechanism that allows the music server to copy the majority of copy protected and non-standard CD’s.
Streaming Media Players that require a PC to rip CD’s will have varying compatibility issues dependent on the CD/DVD drive installed in the machine.
2.4 Exact capture of start and end of tracks.
Some PC CD/DVD ROM drives can miss the start and end of tracks by a few samples, due to the nature of the audio CD format. The CD ripping engine and CD mechanism used in the Naim range of servers ensure the start and ends are captured perfectly, so gapless tracks on an album are played as the artist intended.
2.5 High compatibility of reading discs that are old and have accumulated small scratches and dirt. Although we all treasure our music collection, the wear and tear of day to day use accumulates up over the years. The Naim ripping engine has a very high tolerance to scratched, dirty and out of specification discs. This ensures the minimum of fuss when ripping your CD collection to hard drive.

What do you think?

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« Reply #28 on: 21 Feb 2010, 02:25 pm »
Hi myview,

No we have decided to stay away from anything to do with the front ends or the computer storage and ripping side of the business.  Our goal with the BDP-1 Player and BDA-1 DAC-1 is - "Give me the best digital file you can - and we will take it from there"

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« Reply #29 on: 21 Feb 2010, 02:42 pm »
Hi James, I recently started considering archiving music to a PC, the ripping process concerns me, what do you use? I guess I am thinking a PC anywhere in the chain, be it downloading, or ripping, could be a problem in terms of quality.

No offence to you, your server will obviously be exceptional, I just can't get my head around this PC as a audiophile component, if my concerns are valid, (PROBABLY NOT) why not use something like a PS3 as a server?

If have have some links to this whole Digital\ Server\ Solid State music technology I would love to do some reading.

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« Reply #30 on: 21 Feb 2010, 02:53 pm »
Hi James, I recently started considering archiving music to a PC, the ripping process concerns me, what do you use? I guess I am thinking a PC anywhere in the chain, be it downloading, or ripping, could be a problem in terms of quality.

No offence to you, your server will obviously be exceptional, I just can't get my head around this PC as a audiophile component, if my concerns are valid, (PROBABLY NOT) why not use something like a PS3 as a server?

If have have some links to this whole Digital\ Server\ Solid State music technology I would love to do some reading.

Thanks


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« Reply #31 on: 21 Feb 2010, 07:30 pm »
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I recently started considering archiving music to a PC, the ripping process concerns me, what do you use?

As mentioned above EAC is considered the best ripper. You definitely have to wait a lot longer to rip the music, but the wait is worth it.

Be prepared to do a little work in setting it up. The FLAC codec is included in EAC, so you only need to point to it in the EAC options to do the WAV to FLAC conversion.

The best guides to installing and setting up EAC I have found are here.

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I just can't get my head around this PC as a audiophile component, if my concerns are valid, (PROBABLY NOT) why not use something like a PS3 as a server?

The answer is that the PS3 will not have a decent audio output. You need to get a decent (24/96) soundcard to pass the digital information to your DAC. Then you need to choose a decent FLAC player such as Foobar2000 and use WASAPI (API exclusive mode) for Windows 7 or Vista, allowing bit-exact output.

To get audiophile quality from digital music you need to pay attention to quite a few details.

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« Reply #32 on: 21 Feb 2010, 08:14 pm »
Thanks brucek, if using Ethernet to stream digital content to a Server \ DAC does this not eliminate the soundcard?

I suggested the PS3 because I considered it on a par with a PC as an audio component, so if I stream digital from a PC to the PS3 then use the Digital Out from the PS3 into a quality DAC am I losing something in sound quality?

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« Reply #33 on: 21 Feb 2010, 09:09 pm »
thanks as well, brucek, lots of good info.  I have over 4,000 songs on WMA lossless and its good to know if I decide I want to convert at least a lot of them, I will not have to start all over.

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« Reply #34 on: 22 Feb 2010, 12:05 am »
Thanks brucek, if using Ethernet to stream digital content to a Server \ DAC does this not eliminate the soundcard?

I suggested the PS3 because I considered it on a par with a PC as an audio component, so if I stream digital from a PC to the PS3 then use the Digital Out from the PS3 into a quality DAC am I losing something in sound quality?

Again, the weak link would be the digital out of the PS3. The soundcard in the PS3 that constructs the SPDIF signal may contain an unacceptable amount of jitter. The SPDIF signal is not a pure digital signal such as digital from an ethernet connection. It's a hybrid protocol where the word clock is embedded in the data. The quality of the sending device makes a difference as it can introduce jitter into the signal.

You also would need to consider the amount of 'jiggery-pokey' that the PS3 would be subjecting the data file to as it travels to and through the soundcard. Just as in Windows, if you let kmixer get to the signal and then the soundcard perhaps resamples to a different rate, the output will not be pristine. There are ways around these problems in a computer though. I doubt there are many fixes for the PS3.

In the case of the new Bryston music server, it would appear to be a standalone player with an AES/EBU output that feeds a DAC - this solves the weak soundcard issue. The input (through thumb drive or NAS disk) would be pure digital music data files (i.e. FLAC) that you have created on another computer system.

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« Reply #35 on: 22 Feb 2010, 06:03 am »
These days, since the BDA-1 and other new DACs like the Benchmark DAC-1 re-clock the digital stream, I would expect that jitter is now more of a function of the DAC and less of a function with the source.  So even if the PS3 is jittery a quality DAC should clean that up.   

I think Naim's HDX and Logitech's Squeezebox Transporter might be the first two media servers to support 96/24 hi-rez audio, but the biggest issues I see are a) there's no "universal" music server to support all the various open hi-rez (96/24, 176/24, 192/24) standards whether it's wave, aiff, flac and apple lossless and b) the user interface to the music server is rather difficult with a large library.   I've found using the AppleTV/Airport Express only usable when used with the iPod Touch remote application.   So far the UPnP music servers (PS3, XBOX, some TVs) user interfaces that I've used are ineffective with very large libraries, the potential is there just something tells me the engineers aren't forced to work with very large libraries.

I'm very excited to see what Bryston will do with the BDP in terms with the user interface, codec support and how the ethernet port will be used.

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« Reply #36 on: 22 Feb 2010, 12:26 pm »
Hi,

There is a lot of misunderstanding about this.  Resampling and reclocking the incoming digital signal can help reduce jitter but the more jitter at the input the more jitter at the output of any given DAC. So you always want to achieve as low a jitter number as possible at the input feed to any DAC. 

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« Reply #37 on: 15 Apr 2010, 09:59 pm »
James,

Any updates with the music server?

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« Reply #38 on: 15 Apr 2010, 10:52 pm »
James,

Any updates with the music server?

Jim

Hi skunark,

I have the prtotype digital player at home and we are building a second one with some changes - power supply etc. - and will run a comparison soon.

Hopefully the Bryston Digital Player (BDP-1)  will be born sometime this summer.

james

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« Reply #39 on: 20 Apr 2010, 03:18 pm »
Hi skunark,

I have the prtotype digital player at home and we are building a second one with some changes - power supply etc. - and will run a comparison soon.

Hopefully the Bryston Digital Player (BDP-1)  will be born sometime this summer.

james



James, what file system (client protocols) will this product support? I will assume it will support SAMBA (cifs) and NFS clients? Will there be an option for a built in DAC? or just digital outputs for an external DAC?

As a big time Squeezebox user (using both internal and external DAC's) I am looking forward to this product.

Cheers,

Scott