[TJHUB]

TJ:

What happens with the peak if you move your listening position?

Surprisingly, not a whole lot.  I'm already over 2' off the rear wall with no where else to go.  Again, for speaker placement and seating position, I'm stuck.  I need some other solution for my situation, although it's not all bad. 

[TJHUB]

As I recall, I freaked because the highs were so depressed in relation to the mids, which is no longer the case.  The bass peak doesn't surprise me.  And this graphs looks very reasonable for a room measurement, although I'm still not quite sure what kind of signal you're using, and exactly what kind of measurement this represents.  But I'm certainly not freaking this time.

Ha!   I'm just teasing you a bit.  Last time I posted a very similar graph, you posted and PM'd me.  I always consider things very carefully prior to posting anything like this.   Nonetheless, you have a PM from me this time.

All of my measurements are made with Room EQ Wizard utilizing it's sweep feature.  I'm not saying at all that it's tremendously accurate, because I have no idea just how accurate everything is or isn't.  I'm guessing it's not all too bad though. 

[oneinthepipe]

Surprisingly, not a whole lot.  I'm already over 2' off the rear wall with no where else to go.  Again, for speaker placement and seating position, I'm stuck.  I need some other solution for my situation, although it's not all bad. 

I had a huge bump @ approximately 45hz.  I was sitting about 20-25% out from the rear wall.  I moved forward to about 38% from the rear wall.  I had to move the speakers back toward the front wall, because I would otherwise be sitting much too close, but the bump has flattened out a lot.  On the other hand, I am still much closer to the speakers than I would like.  A bigger room would solve my problem, but my wife is not yet inclined to give me exclusive use of the living room, which is 9' longer than my room.  I already have a lot of fiberglass in the corners, etc.   

[TJHUB]

I had a huge bump @ approximately 45hz.  I was sitting about 20-25% out from the rear wall.  I moved forward to about 38% from the rear wall.  I had to move the speakers back toward the front wall, because I would otherwise be sitting much too close, but the bump has flattened out a lot.  On the other hand, I am still much closer to the speakers than I would like.  A bigger room would solve my problem, but my wife is not yet inclined to give me exclusive use of the living room, which is 9' longer than my room.  I already have a lot of fiberglass in the corners, etc.   

Your are probably correct about moving my listening position helping like it did for you, but I'm stuck. 

I just did some measuring and my speaker baffles are 43" from the front wall and my ears are 27" from the rear wall.  I know I can't for any further with either one, so this is it. 

[Nuance]

You can't take a joke Nuance, no problem. 

Sure I can.    But you're right - that avatar was silly to those who never saw that episode of "The Office."  I like the new one much better. 

[satfrat]

Sure I can.    But you're right - that avatar was silly to those who never saw that episode of "The Office."  I like the new one much better. 

   I wasn't trying to be right, I was trying to be funny.    I liked that avatar myself, it always made me chuckle when I'd see it. I've never watched "The Office" myself so I didn't recognise the person. In fact, I asked oneinthepipe if the avatar was a picture of you as I didn't want to come off as being rude or insulting. I for one will miss that face. 
 
Sorry for having derailed the thread. 
 
Cheers,
Robin

[DMurphy]

Hi  I've been getting some PM's about the plots of the HT2 TL's, and thought I would answer the questions here (particularly since one of my reply PM's didn't work).   First, the overall shape of the response curve, ignoring the deep bass peak, is about what I would have expected.  This is not an anechoic measurement and will pass through room modes and cancellations, and the highest frequencies will be down a little because of absorption by curtains, carpets, or whatever.  In any event, the response around the crossover region is quite flat.  Second, the bass peak at 40 Hz has nothing to do with the crossover, and nothing can be done in the crossover department to address that.  Once the woofer and tweeter have been adjusted to yield a flat response, and a reasonable amount of baffle step compensation has been built into the low pass filter, the deep bass will do what the deep bass will do.  So, is the peak in any way due to the transmission line tuning (which is Paul Kittinger's deptarment)?  Paul might want to speak to this, but my understanding is that bass tuning problems will show up higher in frequency--in the 80 - 150 Hz region.  If the tuning provides for reasonably flat bass in that region, and if the drivers are capable of producing flat response down into the 40 Hz domain, then you are pretty much up to the mercy of the room.  If there's a room mode around 40 Hz, it can't be eliminated by changing the bass tuning and certainly not by adjustments to the crossover.   And a peak that low will be far less objectionable than bloated bass higher up, where there is a lot more music, not to mention male announcer's voices. 

[TJHUB]

Hi  I've been getting some PM's about the plots of the HT2 TL's, and thought I would answer the questions here (particularly since one of my reply PM's didn't work).   First, the overall shape of the response curve, ignoring the deep bass peak, is about what I would have expected.  This is not an anechoic measurement and will pass through room modes and cancellations, and the highest frequencies will be down a little because of absorption by curtains, carpets, or whatever.  In any event, the response around the crossover region is quite flat.  Second, the bass peak at 40 Hz has nothing to do with the crossover, and nothing can be done in the crossover department to address that.  Once the woofer and tweeter have been adjusted to yield a flat response, and a reasonable amount of baffle step compensation has been built into the low pass filter, the deep bass will do what the deep bass will do.  So, is the peak in any way due to the transmission line tuning (which is Paul Kittinger's deptarment)?  Paul might want to speak to this, but my understanding is that bass tuning problems will show up higher in frequency--in the 80 - 150 Hz region.  If the tuning provides for reasonably flat bass in that region, and if the drivers are capable of producing flat response down into the 40 Hz domain, then you are pretty much up to the mercy of the room.  If there's a room mode around 40 Hz, it can't be eliminated by changing the bass tuning and certainly not by adjustments to the crossover.   And a peak that low will be far less objectionable than bloated bass higher up, where there is a lot more music, not to mention male announcer's voices.

This works perfectly for me Dennis.  Thank for taking the time to explain this.  I really do appreciate it.

[taoggniklat]

Thank you all for your input.

[Nuance]

   I wasn't trying to be right, I was trying to be funny.    I liked that avatar myself, it always made me chuckle when I'd see it. I've never watched "The Office" myself so I didn't recognise the person. In fact, I asked oneinthepipe if the avatar was a picture of you as I didn't want to come off as being rude or insulting. I for one will miss that face. 
 
Sorry for having derailed the thread. 
 
Cheers,
Robin

Oh, trust me, I laughed. 

Haha, a pic of me?  Nice!    I am sure you know, but it's Steve Carrell.

I highly recommend The Office.  It's one of the funniest shows I have ever seen.  The picture I used was from the episode where Michael Scott posted as "Prison Mike."  It's been a running joke since me and the guys first watched it a couple years back, and "Prison Mike" has been my thing.  I can't get enough of that show!

Thanks for the explanation, Dennis.  I assure you its a room mode.  It can be fixed with parametric EQ or crossing over to a subwoofer.  Most rooms have dips and/or peaks between 40 and 200Hz, and Terry's is no different.  I like his system better when crossed over to a subwoofer, but I am picky concerning bass...well, concerning everything.  haha.  I'd love to hear a pair of HT2 TL's in a room that had no issues below 100Hz, though.  I bet it would sound as good as some of the best sealed subwoofers above 30Hz. 
 

[Rocket]

Hi,

I guess it comes down to wanting a little more bass response from the speakers.  Since the ht2 tl version came about there hasn't been much traffic regarding the non tl version.

Spending another $400US probably isn't that much more to spend to get a deeper response from a pair of speakers.  I sure wish they were available when I purchcased my ht2's because I may have considered spending a little more. 

Although for the record I do find that the non tl version tl has great in room bass performance.  I compared them with my previous speakers nuforce s9 ($5500US retail) and salk sound ht2 is clearly better including bass response.

Regards

Rod

[Paul K.]

The only way the TL could cause a peak in that region would be if the TL's response had a high-Q peak at the knee in the system response curve but there is no such peak in the HT2-TL's response curve.  It's simply a room effect.
Paul

Hi  I've been getting some PM's about the plots of the HT2 TL's, and thought I would answer the questions here (particularly since one of my reply PM's didn't work).   First, the overall shape of the response curve, ignoring the deep bass peak, is about what I would have expected.  This is not an anechoic measurement and will pass through room modes and cancellations, and the highest frequencies will be down a little because of absorption by curtains, carpets, or whatever.  In any event, the response around the crossover region is quite flat.  Second, the bass peak at 40 Hz has nothing to do with the crossover, and nothing can be done in the crossover department to address that.  Once the woofer and tweeter have been adjusted to yield a flat response, and a reasonable amount of baffle step compensation has been built into the low pass filter, the deep bass will do what the deep bass will do.  So, is the peak in any way due to the transmission line tuning (which is Paul Kittinger's deptarment)?  Paul might want to speak to this, but my understanding is that bass tuning problems will show up higher in frequency--in the 80 - 150 Hz region.  If the tuning provides for reasonably flat bass in that region, and if the drivers are capable of producing flat response down into the 40 Hz domain, then you are pretty much up to the mercy of the room.  If there's a room mode around 40 Hz, it can't be eliminated by changing the bass tuning and certainly not by adjustments to the crossover.   And a peak that low will be far less objectionable than bloated bass higher up, where there is a lot more music, not to mention male announcer's voices.

[taoggniklat]

Hi,

I guess it comes down to wanting a little more bass response from the speakers.  Since the ht2 tl version came about there hasn't been much traffic regarding the non tl version.

Spending another $400US probably isn't that much more to spend to get a deeper response from a pair of speakers.  I sure wish they were available when I purchcased my ht2's because I may have considered spending a little more. 

Although for the record I do find that the non tl version tl has great in room bass performance.  I compared them with my previous speakers nuforce s9 ($5500US retail) and salk sound ht2 is clearly better including bass response.

Regards

Rod

Unfortunately, I think due to budget issues, the Ht2tl's are out of my range at this point. I may have to settle for the ST's....which from what I hear is not a bad thing.