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David C

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sub to 2 channel system
« on: 31 Dec 2009, 10:08 am »
How can I add a sub to a 2 channel system? Do I need a sub that allows for the amp speaker connections to go to the sub and then on to the 2 main speakers???? If so will this downgrade the signal to the main speakers? Any advise or alternative solutions appreicated
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Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #1 on: 31 Dec 2009, 01:40 pm »
I've honestly never hooked a sub up using the speaker terminals so cannot say from experience there is a degradation.  I know it doesn't "feel" right in my gut so I opt for an RCA cable from a second set of preamp outputs to the LFE input.  Either the left or right is all I use for very low bass.

When it comes to audio only I usually just set the crossover very low and the level at zero and dial it up slowly and set it by ear.  Hypocritically, in the HT, I'd make sweeps and plot graphs to see what is going on.  I have found that with full range speakers not much, if any, sub work is needed.  I think it can be trickier with bookshelf speakers as you are asking the sub to perhaps play higher (to fill in a gap perhaps) and subs may or may not be "musical" in those 60 hz+ regions.

If I had to connect the sub using speaker cables I'd try a second parallel run from the amp or jumper over from the main speaker versus the other way around.  For me, a sub in 2 channel is supplementary and will be cradling the bottom end and not really doing much work.

Do you use full range floorstanders now?

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Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #2 on: 31 Dec 2009, 02:12 pm »
If you want the added benefit of taking the load off the mains and the main amp while minimizing phase/frequency cancellations between the mains and the sub, you'll need an external active xover.  Marchand offers some very good options at reasonable prices.

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Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #3 on: 31 Dec 2009, 02:51 pm »
Big Red
The B&W speakers are three way but very small woofer. I was wanting to take the lower freq away from them and let the sub handle the lows.

Bpape thanks for the active cross over info. I will check this out also

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Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #4 on: 31 Dec 2009, 02:55 pm »
I have single Driver speakers. The Sub is always better and correctly hooked up through the speaker posts, Sub amp to amp speaker posts. Unless you have an external crossover. Nothing fancy on the cable here. I use that Rat Shack "mega cable", 12 ga. Works very well.

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max190

Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #5 on: 31 Dec 2009, 10:05 pm »
How can I add a sub to a 2 channel system? Do I need a sub that allows for the amp speaker connections to go to the sub and then on to the 2 main speakers???? If so will this downgrade the signal to the main speakers? Any advise or alternative solutions appreicated
thanks

David, since you did not say this, does your pre-amp have pre-amp out connections?

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Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #6 on: 8 Jan 2010, 04:45 pm »
Yes. It has one set of RCA and one set of balanced. I use the RCA to connect to the Nuforce mono amps

max190

Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #7 on: 8 Jan 2010, 06:16 pm »
Yes. It has one set of RCA and one set of balanced. I use the RCA to connect to the Nuforce mono amps

Another option is you could 'Y' off your RCA's. Take a R&L to your sub and on the other R&L add in-line high-pass filters then to your amps. This will take the load off your amps and spkrs.
Link to 65HZ / 85HZ filters http://www.audioc.com/SVold/hipassa.htm

Larkston Zinaspic

Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #8 on: 8 Jan 2010, 07:45 pm »
I wanted high-pass filters to work (even tried an active one from Hsu Research), but I think they sounded a little 'impure', at least with my setup. In-line filters seem like a good idea though, if you can get it to work.

I run my sub parallel to the mains but cross down very low.

Alexdad54

Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #9 on: 11 Mar 2010, 09:39 pm »
Could I join in and ask a noob question? I have an Assemblage ST-40 tube amp with only one set of speaker terminals. It is hooked up to a Mapletree Audio Ultra 4Se tubed pre and Salk SongTowers. In my case would I need an external x-over (Behringer et al) and would it degrade the sound? I confess to being a bit confused by all the different hook-up variations.........

EDIT:It appears that there are two sets of outputs so I assume one can go to the amp and the other to the sub. Would I still need a x-over?
« Last Edit: 12 Mar 2010, 12:14 pm by Alexdad54 »

Nick77

Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #10 on: 12 Mar 2010, 12:39 am »
Another option is you could 'Y' off your RCA's. Take a R&L to your sub and on the other R&L add in-line high-pass filters then to your amps. This will take the load off your amps and spkrs.
Link to 65HZ / 85HZ filters http://www.audioc.com/SVold/hipassa.htm
Is it possible to use a Y connect and a Low Pass filter to a sub amp? While i realize an eq is best but do inexpensive low pass filters exist?

mort

Re: sub to 2 channel system
« Reply #11 on: 12 Mar 2010, 02:45 am »
If you purchase any subwoofer from Sunfire Audio, you would take your rca outputs from your pre amp to the powered sub. Sunfire subs have a adjustable crossover/ high pass filter that leads to rca outputs wich can then be connected to your amplifiers then inturn driving your B&W's. I believe that the output rca's from the subs are limited to 70 Hz but the smallish subs have up to 2700 watts and head down to 18 hz. They come with a room equilizer mic, gain controll and a phase controll for acurate set up. This arangement will take all of the Heavy bass loads off of your amps, saving power for your mains (less clipping) If cost is no object look at the Subrosa series they are remarkable! Good luck.