System Synergy

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earlmarc

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« on: 19 Jan 2004, 02:54 am »
As audio enthusiast we celebrate the introduction of products that defy the cost/performance standard. Companies that offer their products direct are a prime examples. More and more products are available to audio consumers at low prices. I think this is great. Many members on this forum bring these products to our attention by providing reviews and impressions. I would like to know more about system synergy among over achieving products. No product on its own is great without a supporting cast. I would like to see examples of great systems that are over achievers on the cheap. Systems that have great synergy. I will provide the first:

1. IRD-Audio LLC-Purist Preamplifier
2. IRD-Audio MB-100 Mono Amplifiers
3. Sony SCD-CE775 SACD Player (Larry Moore Mod.)
4. Energy Connoiseur C-5 Speakers
5. Signal Cable Analog II Interconnect and Single Run Speaker Cable
6. Bolder Cable Power Box with Nitro Cord and Bybee Filters
7. Studio Tech PS-4 Audio Stand

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« Reply #1 on: 19 Jan 2004, 12:52 pm »
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As audio enthusiast we celebrate the introduction of products that defy the cost/performance standard. Companies that offer their products direct are a prime examples. More and more products are available to audio consumers at low prices. I think this is great. Many members on this forum bring these products to our attention by providing reviews and impressions. I would like to know more about system synergy among over achieving products. No product on its own is great without a supporting cast. I would lik ...
earlmarc, An interesting post...over achievers on the cheap. But "cheap" can mean many different price ranges to many people. Want "cheap" , buy a BoomBox. :lol:  j/k.
    But I will agree, with so many inexpensive products , that there are a lot of diamonds out there. I have been working on putting together a 2nd. system, at a lower cost than my main system. So far , it's working out nicely, GM Europa's , Scott Nixon Mono amps , and EEC MiniMax pre. Still other products to be auditioned. Is it cheap...maybe to some....others maybe not. :) [/list:u]

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« Reply #2 on: 19 Jan 2004, 06:44 pm »
Good point. I will qualify system synergy systems with dollar amounts.
Low End-$3000-$5000
Mid Level- $10,000-$12,000
High End - $20,000 and above

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« Reply #3 on: 19 Jan 2004, 09:39 pm »
For a low cost system, you could build around a used VAC Avatar integrated amp and used Vandersteen 2ce, in a small room.  The Ah! Super Tjoeb is one possibility for source.  Speaker cable from Goertz and interconnect from Bolder are also possibilities.

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« Reply #4 on: 20 Jan 2004, 07:43 am »
Good topic!

The challenge is, in my view, to put together a good system for relatively small budgets. Here's my take on it:

Integrated amp - NAD 317                  app. 500 euros
CD player - Yamaha CDX-993             app. 400 euros
Tuner - Marantz ST6000                      app. 250 euros
Speakers - B&W 602 S3                      app. 450 euros
Speaker cables - van den Hul CS122    app. 100 euros (2x5 m)
Intercons - van den Hul D102 Mk.3       app. 150 euros
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TOTAL                                                   1,850 euros ($ 2,250)

The NAD is a powerhouse, and will deliver far more than you would ever expect of it (nominally 2x120W/8 ohms, but up to 600W into 2 ohms - most load tolerant). The CD player is, unfortunately, unavailable in North America, which is a tremendous pity, because its prime characteristic is that it sounds ever so analog, and is built like a tank (2 separate power transformers, internal bracing, discrete output stages, etc). I think it would surprise quite a few of you guys, and after some simple mods, many of you guys.

The Marantz tuner is another killer Marantz product - at its price, it has no right to play music like that, and I daresay, that kind of sound just 10 years ago used to cost ten times the price.

B&W 602 speakers are relatively sedate, but rather detailed, among the best imaging at that price point that I know of.

van den Hul cabling has been with me for many years now, and the two above are well known and documented favorites. My only doubt here would be whether to use CS122 or 352 Hybrid cabling for 5 m (17 feet) runs; the 352 is in fact exactly the same cable as the CS122, but instead of 2x3 mm of the CS122, it has 2x5 mm diameters (2x256 silver plated OFC copper mixed with carbon fibre).

In an average room, this system will produce a remarkable (for its price, of course) neutrality and very good imaging, however, for those who prefer modern music, especially electronic music, the speakers may be a bit slow. These people may want to investigate offerings from Mission, Infinity, JBL for better pace and tempo.

Cheers,
DVV

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« Reply #5 on: 21 Jan 2004, 05:59 am »
thanks for bringing up the topic of synergy. I got off on the wrong foot over a year ago attempting to use a B&K AVR 202 receiver as the center of my system hoping to live the HT and audio goodlife. I decided that living the audio good life was the way to go and that whatever system worked for my ears and heart could pass as my HT setup as well. Well, it almost works...

IRD MB 100 monoblocks($538 for the pair)
Norh ACA2b preamp(w/amperex tubes & Herbie's dampers...$400 + $65 for the tubes and $25? for the dampers)
NAD T550 DVD/CD player($350 new)
Norh Prism 6.1(xmas sale for $500)
diamondback powercord (for pre)-Audiogon for $118
Harmonic Tech Pro-11 speaker cable(Audiogon...$150)
Harmonic Tech Pro Silway MKII interconnects(Audiogon...$150)
Monster Component Video cable...$50

  So I've spent this past year or two putting this together and it really does sound quite good. I've had various other components that worked better for HT but I love the way this setup sounds for music so until I get a preamp with pass through or an entirely different system for HT this will do. I've had a stock and a modded Music Hall cdp but when all is said and done the NAD sounds better. And it allows me to get by with one less component. The preamp along with the Diamondback powercord really makes this system shine. I'll likely buy the MiniMax one day but the Norh will do well for now. The Prisms are some of the more beautiful speakers I've seen and would've been a steal at full price. Cables are crucial. I tried Bolder speaker cables and interconnects but the Harmonic Technology have a more relaxed and organic sound without sacrificing detail. A pair of Diamondbacks for the amps as well as Shunyata's Guardian will fit in here sometime down the road.
  So for around $2500 I feel pretty satisfied when I put on Cassandra Wilson at the end of the day.

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« Reply #6 on: 21 Jan 2004, 06:14 am »
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So for around $2500 I feel pretty satisfied when I put on Cassandra Wilson at the end of the day.
And that's what counts !! :)