The System at THE Show in Vegas

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John Casler

The System at THE Show in Vegas
« on: 17 Nov 2009, 11:43 pm »
THE HOME ENTERTAINMENT Show 2010


While we don't have all the components in place right now, I will begin plugging them in as they are firmed up.

Below is a "FRAMEWORK" of intended gear, performers, instruments, and performances.

This will be adjusted as more information becomes available.

EQUIPMENT LIST:
PLAYBACK CHAIN


Source: Alesis Masterlink 2 channel digital recorder
Source: Korg Mr-1000 
PreAMP: MP-3 Mark3.1
AMP Midrange: ATMASPHERE MK III.1 version of the MA-2, the MK III 18 tube version
AMP Bass Section: ? TBA
Main Speakers:  The NEW VMPS RM50 Dual Line Source Bipole
Crossover: VMPS D-OXO (modified digital cross-over)
Digilog Bridge:  VMPS Digilog Bridge with TRT caps
SUBS: VMPS VSS (Very Solid SUB) 2 pair arranged in a dipole configuration or distributed in the room.
SUB AMPS:  VMPS 1000w SUB AMPS

Interconnects: Audience
Speaker Cable: Audience
Power Cords:  Audience powerChords
Power Conditioners: Audience Adept Response

 
EQUIPMENT LIST:
RECORDING CHAIN


Microphones: Pair M-Audio Sputnik Tube Condenser Microphones in the M/S stereo configuration
Mixer: Grace Lunatec V2 Mixer in it's M/S matrix stereo mode
Recording Device: Alesis Masterlink 2 channel digital recorder in either 24/96 or 24/88.2 digital modes
Recording Device: Korg Mr-1000 true DSD at either 2.8224 MHz @ 1-bit or 2x DSD at 5.6448 MHz @ 1-bit


INSTRUMENTS AND PERFORMERS

Concert Grand Piano = Angela Chan
Stand up String Bass = Bill Bailey
Saxophone: Fred Haller
Clarinet: Fred Haller
Flute: Fred Haller
Percussion: Big B



Singer: Lesley Olsher will once again be our featured vocalist and is scheduled to perform selections from her new album.



SCHEDULE OF PERFORMANCES:

Performances will be Friday Jan 8 Saturday Jan 9 2:30 to 5:30 pm and Sunday Jan 10 1pm to 4pm.

Centerpiece will be six songs by our great singer Lesley Olsher and several guests.

Also featuring the Gershwin "Rhapsody in Blue" (about 8 minutes worth) with the legendary Ronnie Simone solo piano, Fred Haller on clarinet and alto sax, Bill Baily on bass and Big B, handling percussion.

Plus about 45 minutes of material for the combo to play between vocal sets.

Catch Lesley in the afternoon Friday Jan 8 and Saturday Jan 9


« Last Edit: 15 Jan 2010, 07:16 pm by John Casler »

Housteau

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #1 on: 18 Nov 2009, 10:27 pm »
John, I see that things have changed a bit from the original vision of using the VLAs this time around, with possible multiple VSS subs to fill in and correct for dipole if necessary.  Will the V60s be the special signature edition, or has that changed as well?

You can add to your list of recording equipment a Korg Mr-1000 that I will be bringing.  With that we will have the option to record true DSD at either 2.8224 MHz @ 1-bit or 2x DSD at 5.6448 MHz @ 1-bit.

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #2 on: 20 Nov 2009, 10:05 pm »
John, I see that things have changed a bit from the original vision of using the VLAs this time around, with possible multiple VSS subs to fill in and correct for dipole if necessary.  Will the V60s be the special signature edition, or has that changed as well?

You can add to your list of recording equipment a Korg Mr-1000 that I will be bringing.  With that we will have the option to record true DSD at either 2.8224 MHz @ 1-bit or 2x DSD at 5.6448 MHz @ 1-bit.

Hi Dave,

Have added your DSD unit to the recording chain list.

B has not clarified whether he intends to go with the DUAL BASS BCSE RM v60's yet.

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #3 on: 21 Nov 2009, 06:51 pm »
Our recording engineer for CES is Jim Harger, recently retired from KGO TV San Francisco and a longtime friend.  This week we set up the basic two-mic-in-MS tube condenser microphones on a stand close to my practice piano and recorded me playing some Chopin with the mic about 6.5ft off the floor and maybe two feet behind my shoulders.

The Grace pre/processor (MS matrix mode) and Alexis Masterlink 2channel 24/88.2 recorder--which provides 17 hours of music on a single hard drive--took up the sound.

Played back through one pair of 626 Jr with no sub, the sound was startling, amazing, something you'd have to hear.  No description would be adequate.  Audiophile dream come true?  Better than live?  You name it.  I was flabbergasted, astounded.  All this done instantaneously in the "live" end of my 13x31x8ft sound room.

I then tried some cymbal crashes, playing them as loud as I could. With a small reduction in overall level the system recorded this very energic source with aplomb, and completely without overload.  The reproduced sound was as good as the live, just slightly different due to the transfer function of microphones varying from that of the ear.

We then cut a 16/44.1 CD (easy to do, since downconverting from 24/88.2 does not require further processing) off the hard drive and played it through my Krell/Wadia/Son of Ampzilla rig.  While not the equal of the hard drive sound, no one was complaining.  I conclude the CD medium is capable of great reproduction quality, even in Redbook.  Quality loss vs the HD source could not be more than 10%, if that.

We should do very well at CES!

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #4 on: 23 Nov 2009, 01:16 pm »
 "I conclude the CD medium is capable of great reproduction quality, even in Redbook.  Quality loss vs the HD source could not be more than 10%, if that."

That's High End Heresy I tell you! You will be burned at the virtual stake!
Seriously, I fully agree with you; I have too many well recorded CD's to say otherwise.
Regards;
   d.b.

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #5 on: 23 Nov 2009, 05:55 pm »
I should add we used no processing, EQ or compression of any sort to make this recording.

At CES we will do the same, and use the DSP built in to the speakers to compensate for the HF rolloff introduced by the large room, and to notch out the 30Hz air conditioner noise. We will also set up the mics closer to our musicians than we did in January.

John Casler

New Pianist at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #6 on: 27 Nov 2009, 09:54 pm »



Our new pianist is David Kansczar

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #7 on: 27 Nov 2009, 10:00 pm »
WHOA!!! :o :o :o

Just been made aware of a possible NEW DEVELOPMENT for THE Show. :drool:

Can't be any more detailed about what or who it is, than that for 2 WEEKS, but this could be a SHOW HIGHLIGHT  :thumb:

(no it IS NOT ELVIS  aa)

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #8 on: 28 Nov 2009, 03:50 am »
I KNOW!  It's Bill Clinton on sax.

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #9 on: 28 Nov 2009, 07:01 am »
Our recording engineer for CES is Jim Harger, recently retired from KGO TV San Francisco and a longtime friend.  This week we set up the basic two-mic-in-MS tube condenser microphones on a stand close to my practice piano and recorded me playing some Chopin with the mic about 6.5ft off the floor and maybe two feet behind my shoulders.

The Grace pre/processor (MS matrix mode) and Alexis Masterlink 2channel 24/88.2 recorder--which provides 17 hours of music on a single hard drive--took up the sound.

Played back through one pair of 626 Jr with no sub, the sound was startling, amazing, something you'd have to hear.  No description would be adequate.  Audiophile dream come true?  Better than live?  You name it.  I was flabbergasted, astounded.  All this done instantaneously in the "live" end of my 13x31x8ft sound room.

I then tried some cymbal crashes, playing them as loud as I could. With a small reduction in overall level the system recorded this very energic source with aplomb, and completely without overload.  The reproduced sound was as good as the live, just slightly different due to the transfer function of microphones varying from that of the ear.

We then cut a 16/44.1 CD (easy to do, since downconverting from 24/88.2 does not require further processing) off the hard drive and played it through my Krell/Wadia/Son of Ampzilla rig.  While not the equal of the hard drive sound, no one was complaining.  I conclude the CD medium is capable of great reproduction quality, even in Redbook.  Quality loss vs the HD source could not be more than 10%, if that.

We should do very well at CES!

Ever thought of starting a recording studio? You could sell speakers to play the music you record....How much does the Grace and Masterlink cost?

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #10 on: 4 Dec 2009, 08:17 pm »
I KNOW!  It's Bill Clinton on sax.

Paul

I would say it is the Monica Lewinsky Sextet, :nono: but it is neither. :green:

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #11 on: 4 Dec 2009, 08:19 pm »
The legendary Ronnie Simone playing solo on the piano has been added to the list of performers.

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #12 on: 5 Dec 2009, 03:36 am »
Our recording engineer for CES is Jim Harger, recently retired from KGO TV San Francisco and a longtime friend.  This week we set up the basic two-mic-in-MS tube condenser microphones on a stand close to my practice piano and recorded me playing some Chopin with the mic about 6.5ft off the floor and maybe two feet behind my shoulders.

The Grace pre/processor (MS matrix mode) and Alexis Masterlink 2channel 24/88.2 recorder--which provides 17 hours of music on a single hard drive--took up the sound.

Played back through one pair of 626 Jr with no sub, the sound was startling, amazing, something you'd have to hear.  No description would be adequate.  Audiophile dream come true?  Better than live?  You name it.  I was flabbergasted, astounded.  All this done instantaneously in the "live" end of my 13x31x8ft sound room.

I then tried some cymbal crashes, playing them as loud as I could. With a small reduction in overall level the system recorded this very energic source with aplomb, and completely without overload.  The reproduced sound was as good as the live, just slightly different due to the transfer function of microphones varying from that of the ear.

We then cut a 16/44.1 CD (easy to do, since downconverting from 24/88.2 does not require further processing) off the hard drive and played it through my Krell/Wadia/Son of Ampzilla rig.  While not the equal of the hard drive sound, no one was complaining.  I conclude the CD medium is capable of great reproduction quality, even in Redbook.  Quality loss vs the HD source could not be more than 10%, if that.

We should do very well at CES!

Ever thought of starting a recording studio? You could sell speakers to play the music you record....How much does the Grace and Masterlink cost?

Don't know about the GRACE, but the Alesis ML-9600 MasterLink Disk Recorder is $1699 (if you want one, my distributor gives me a courtesy discount :lol:)

http://www.tecnec.com/Product.asp?baseItem=ALE%2DML9600&cat=AUDIOEQUIP&subcat=&prodClass=AHARDDISK&mfg=&search=0&off=


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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #13 on: 5 Dec 2009, 06:30 am »
WHOA!!! :o :o :o

Just been made aware of a possible NEW DEVELOPMENT for THE Show. :drool:

Can't be any more detailed about what or who it is, than that for 2 WEEKS, but this could be a SHOW HIGHLIGHT  :thumb:

(no it IS NOT ELVIS  aa)
i'd love to hear you got elvis.  both for wocals and piano.  elvis costello...   8)  that would be a fantastic thing to record!   :thumb:

doug s.

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #14 on: 5 Dec 2009, 06:50 am »
Looking forward to reading about the results!   :thumb:

For the next one  :P , would love to see recording and playback from a PC.  Plenty of great and cheap PC recording interfaces out there.  With the PC and interface, it would (on average) be more expensive than the Alesis (who doesn't have a PC already, though?), but going this route may further interest those of us in the "discless" world. . . and would be even more interesting for those of us who record music ourselves.   :D

Good luck!

Paul

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Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #15 on: 5 Dec 2009, 02:20 pm »

i'd love to hear you got elvis.  both for wocals and piano.  elvis costello...   8)  that would be a fantastic thing to record!   :thumb:

doug s.

Throw in Diana Krall and you might as well grow your nails and scratch the backboard.  I just don't get either of them (musically).

I would love to catch the show but I am always busy at that time of the year.   :banghead:

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #16 on: 13 Dec 2009, 05:17 pm »
Brian has announced a performer change:

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we have another new pianist, Angela Chan, replacing Ronnie Simone who cancelled due to his wife's illness
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John Casler

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« Reply #17 on: 13 Dec 2009, 05:20 pm »
As I announced earlier, Brian has a big surprise in store, and it is a NEW VMPS SPEAKER.

In another thread he posted:

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I can also say there will be a new speaker in our booth, the first new VMPS in four years, which incorporates all the lessons learned from this year's live vs recorded music demo.  Details will be available with pix in about two weeks.

So more details and pics coming up.

Housteau

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #18 on: 13 Dec 2009, 09:55 pm »
I wonder if that will be in use, or as a static display?

John Casler

Re: The System at THE Show in Vegas
« Reply #19 on: 13 Dec 2009, 10:18 pm »
I wonder if that will be in use, or as a static display?

DEFINATELY "IN USE" if it is completed in time.