banana plug crimping?

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banana plug crimping?
« on: 31 Oct 2009, 09:38 pm »
Every time I post here, I feel as if I'm intruding on a conversation among people that actually know what they are talking about.   :oops:

Aaaanyhow, I bought some minimalist banana plugs from audiomagus (audio-magus.com/category_s/21.htm). I thought it would be a snap to crimp these onto my speaker cables. Not so!

The metal of the banana plug split when I tried to crimp it. Does anyone know how to crimp these minimalist banana plugs and not split the metal?

Must I solder?

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #1 on: 31 Oct 2009, 11:03 pm »
Get the solder gun out. looks to me like the best way to do the job

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #2 on: 31 Oct 2009, 11:15 pm »
The Multi-Contact LS4, like the Nordost Z plug, will need to be soldered due to it's hardened alloy construction.
 
Plugs like the Analysis Plus banana can be crimped because of it's softer non-hardened barrel made from a different material.
 

 
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ANGB4
 
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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #3 on: 1 Nov 2009, 01:07 am »
The Multi-Contact LS-4 is also available in unhardend copper alloy that will allow crimping without splitting. But you have to order the minimum of 100, and wait 6 weeks for delivery, and they're simply not as springy.

An alternative would be the Audioquest BFA-G Kit (gold plate) or BFA-S Kit (silver plate), similar to the Analysis BFA plugs suggested by srb above. They're $7 a pair from -
http://www.ramelectronics.net/search.ep?keyWords=bfa&x=12&y=10

Their limitation (for me) is the maximum 9ga wire they can acommodate. They're also very difficult to crimp, requiring a hydraulic crimper (although a hammer might work)

As I need to crimp 2 10ga wires to a bfa, I use the standard hardened Multi-contact LS-4 and use a Gardnmer Bender copper crimp sleeve 10-310, availabe at my local Lowes


I take the LS-4 and cut off the tag for soldering with a small scissors, open up the base end, insert the wires, and slip the copper crimp sleeve over the tip to the base, and crimp the sleeve over the wires and base of the BFA. It works quite well. You need a racheting crimper with a proper ferrule (trapezpoidal) or hex die.

FWIW,
Paul

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #4 on: 1 Nov 2009, 12:00 pm »
I had the same problem with those Audio Magus banana connectors. I also recommend the Audioquest connectors. The Vampire Wire and Dayton Audio banana connectors are also very nice and easy to work with.

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #5 on: 2 Nov 2009, 04:11 pm »
Thanks everyone,

Your replies confirm once again that I am such a noob.

Really appreciate your help!  :thumb:

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #6 on: 2 Nov 2009, 05:05 pm »
Thanks everyone,

Your replies confirm once again that I am such a noob.

Really appreciate your help!  :thumb:

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I have been soldering, crimping and otherwise terminating cables for many years, and while I am no expert, I've been around the block a few times.
 
I tried to crimp one of the similar Nordost plugs when I first got them, and I got the same result!
 
Steve

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #7 on: 2 Nov 2009, 06:52 pm »
My solution was to solder the plugs to the wires. The plugs have a little tab that I managed to solder onto the wires. I wrapped the tinned wires around the tab and soldered them in place.

Very minimal, but it works and I'm not very concerned about the looks or toughness of the connections as the wires are for my seldom-used bedroom system and the not high-end speaker cables (WLM White Lightning). Besides, if the plugs come unsoldered I will have learned something more about my soldering technique.

Now, I just have to attach them and listen.

I learned something from trying to attach these plugs and from everyone's advice and suggestions. Thanks, again!

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Re: banana plug crimping?
« Reply #8 on: 2 Nov 2009, 06:55 pm »
I just double over the wire and solder it in the bottom of the barrel.  The tab is a stop so that the plug can only go in so far.
 
Steve