Post season umpires awful

lcrim · « **on:** 30 Oct 2009, 03:44 am »

The second game just ended-Yanks even Series!!!
What happened to the umpires?
They can't seem to get anything right. The Yanks got screwed out of a possible big inning when Ryan Howard picks up a short hop and the ump blows the call and compounds it by calling Posada out for advancing. Awful call, then they all huddle and approve it.
The plate ump gave Pedro the very low strike turning him into a world beater. To be fair, the umps sucked for both teams. A relay on a double play was late but the runner got called out anyway.
I hate replay but this is absurd. I'm usually in favor of experience, but those guys looked like bumbling old men.

honesthoff · « **Reply #1 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 03:48 am »

How about Burnett's 24" wide home plate?

lcrim · « **Reply #2 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 04:11 am »

Until this game, I thought that balls and strikes were decent but not tonight. There were a huge number of players bitcning about strike calls tonight.

rodge827 · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 12:18 pm »

Quote from: honesthoff on 30 Oct 2009, 03:48 am

How about Burnett's 24" wide home plate?

Yeah what was up with that?

Yes, the field umps blew a couple of close calls, but the plate ump needs to seriously to get his

eyes checked.

The booth guys would say "that ball just caught the outside corner of the plate". Then the replay

would show the the pitch about 2 balls off the plate. Of course there was no correction by Buck

and Mc Carver. A couple of narcisistic bone heads IMHO.

Phils in 5!

maxwalrath · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 01:41 pm »

...another example of the game not keeping up with the demands of the times, and losing fans for it. Bud Selig can go f%#& himself.

twitch54 · « **Reply #5 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 01:50 pm »

Quote from: lcrim on 30 Oct 2009, 03:44 am

The Yanks got screwed out of a possible big inning when Ryan Howard picks up a short hop and the ump blows the call and compounds it by calling Posada out for advancing. Awful call, then they all huddle and approve it.
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While true don't forget they 'made up for it' with the 'out' call on Utley at first, instant replay clearly showed him safe...............and there's my rub if you will.......... for the fact of the matter is today's game has got so many camera angles, slow motion replays, etc that it's IMPOSSIBLE to get everything right relative "the cameras perspective"........... how many people actually DID see Howards trap untill the replay ?????? I guarntee NONE of you participating in this thread did !

rollo · « **Reply #6 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 02:03 pm »

They say its part of the game

Umpires should not have an affect on the results but they do. Something has to change. at least for the Series and playoffs. Teams work too hard to get there and an Ump can can affect the outcome. A pity really.

charles

lcrim · « **Reply #7 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 11:30 pm »

twitch:
I just saw your comment.
Yes, I did have the benefit of replay, but Ryan Howard and Jorge Posada didn't. Can someone tell me why Howard threw to second, if he thought he caught the ball on the fly , he would have stepped on first to complete the double play.
If they got the play right shouldn't the umps. They even took the time to talk it over and they still got it wrong.
Keystone Kops

zybar · « **Reply #8 on:** 30 Oct 2009, 11:38 pm »

Yep, this is the worst umpiring I have ever seen on a game by game basis.

I hate when the umps are so bad that we are talking about them instead of the players.

I know this will sound like a Yankee fan, but we could see that the ball to Howard wasn't caught from our seats in left field!! Clearly, Howard knew he didn't catch it, based on him throwing the ball to second base. If he knew he caught it, he would have stepped on first base.

Can't talk about the balls or strikes, as we were too far from home plate.

George

TF1216 · « **Reply #9 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 02:38 am »

Alex's homerun... Who thinks it was? Who thinks it wasn't?

maxwalrath · « **Reply #10 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 03:00 am »

I will concede that the ball would have probably hit the top of the railing and bounced in an undeterminable direction, but I don't see how you could say for sure that it would have been over. If this was the NFL, the umps would say there was no conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the field. I grew up a Yankees fan and I think that was a terrible call.

gary · « **Reply #11 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 04:26 am »

No question it was a home run, the camera was a few inches inside the fence but if you drew a line continuing the angle the ball was coming down at it was clearly going over. The right call, for once.

After the smug look on Phil Lee's face when he stuck out his hand to catch the fly ball in game one and after they hit Rodriguez twice tonight I'm enjoying seeing the Phillies get spanked at home. Tomorrow should be just as good with CC pitching and the Yankees seemingly firing on all cylinders (even Swisher & Damon came through when it mattered tonight), and then the series should be closed out at home.

gary

honesthoff · « **Reply #12 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 04:30 am »

Most major league umpires are of course PhD. holders in Euclidean geometry, thus their ability to determine the trajectory of a moving object with seven-plus variables in less than thirty seconds of video review. Either that or a phone call from MLB, IMG, Nike, Rupert Murdoch, etc., etc., etc....Phils in six.

P.S. Phillies have hammered C.C. (choke, choke) in the last four straight appearances.

hmen · « **Reply #13 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 06:03 am »

I just watched the press conferences. According to the Phillies manager the umps told him that the camera protruded over the fence into the field of play and they (the umps) determined before the game that if a ball hit the camera it would be a Home Run. Why didn't the umps tell Fox to move the camera a few inches back when they were aware before the game started that it could cause a problem?

zybar · « **Reply #14 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 12:46 pm »

Quote from: tf121682 on 1 Nov 2009, 02:38 am

Alex's homerun... Who thinks it was? Who thinks it wasn't?

It was an HR.

Also, before the game, the umps met and decided that if a ball hit the camera it would be ruled an HR. Of course, it would have been nice them to tell the managers this fact...

George

zybar · « **Reply #15 on:** 1 Nov 2009, 12:48 pm »

Quote from: honesthoff on 1 Nov 2009, 04:30 am

P.S. Phillies have hammered C.C. (choke, choke) in the last four straight appearances.

I guess you watched a different game 1 when the Phillies "hammered" CC for a whopping 2 runs.

George

maxwalrath · « **Reply #16 on:** 2 Nov 2009, 01:09 am »

Quote from: zybar on 1 Nov 2009, 12:46 pm

Of course, it would have been nice them to tell the managers this fact...

...and Tim McCarver. He's bad enough when he has correct information, but listening to him talk about how the trajectory was clearly carrying the ball towards being a home run was a joke (1 because it wasn't true and 2 because it didn't matter).

MaxCast · « **Reply #17 on:** 2 Nov 2009, 03:02 am »

Hadn't much noticed until tonight.
The Umpire must have had a few too many at diner. Balls and strikes are all over the place and the call at home plate was really bad.

Back to last night. Honestly I was not sure the trajectory would have been a HR. Maybe if it would have hit the bar and bounced into the stands. It looked like it was headed down. I only saw the good angle once.

Phil A · « **Reply #18 on:** 2 Nov 2009, 03:28 am »

The ball that hit the camera was definitely a home run. Easy to see on my 100 inch screen. But the umpires have been terrible all around.

gary · « **Reply #19 on:** 2 Nov 2009, 03:37 am »

and it looks like they "hammered" him just the same way tonight.

gary