My KT88 Comparisons

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JakeJ

My KT88 Comparisons
« on: 5 Oct 2009, 09:11 am »
Howdy Tube-O-Phile brethren,

I installed my new Penta Labs KT88SCs in my VAC PA-160 amps yesterday and have begun the process of breaking them in and making some comparisons to the current JJs and the famous Gold Lions which are enroute now.

Initially the Pentas sounded good but after about an hour the system sounded very lean and bass shy, top end became closed in and just a bit congested.  I suppose these will take a while to break in, same as the Gold Lions.

More to come!  :thumb:

JakeJ

JakeJ

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #1 on: 8 Oct 2009, 12:20 am »
Hi to All Interested Parties-

Well I'm about 25 or so hours into the run in and they start out nice and open sounding and then go thin over the course of an hour or so but once warmed up well settle down to sounding quite nice,  well balanced top to bottom, sweet on top.  Amazing bass slam compared to the JJs in my amps.  Also the JJs exhibit more sparkle in the treble so I may or may not like that when I go back to taste them again.  Oh, all warm up noise seems to have gone away.

Looking forward to finishing the run in of these and getting started on the Gold Lions.

More to come,
JakeJ

doctorcilantro

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #2 on: 23 Oct 2009, 01:50 am »
Interested to hear how they fare against the Genalex re-issues! :thumb:

JakeJ

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #3 on: 23 Oct 2009, 04:17 pm »
Hi Doc,

Agreed, that's one reason to try them.  Also note the Penta and GL are of slightly different designs as the Penta is solid plate and the GL have holes in the plates. Other than that internals appear to be the same.

Anyone know for sure what the original GL were?

I can say this, the Pentas are pretty well settled in at about 40 hours. Must be all that rigorous testing they put the tubes through.  :thumb:

The Pentas are great in that they present a very tonally balanced and neutral sonic picture.  In comparison the JJs are a bit tipped up in the top end and have a bit more sparkle in the upper treble.  It's not harsh or grainy or any other derogatory term just that cymbals, bells, the upper registers of piano and harp, violins, etc. have a certain extra bit of output.  I believe this might be due to a slight propensity toward microphonics.  I say this because I can tap on the JJs with the system on and the volume turned up to normal listening levels and I can hear the tapping through the speakers.  With the Pentas I can't.  Also bass, I mentioned in a previous post these have greater slam, and they do, but bass also seems a bit tighter and deeper as the hours rolled along.

Life outside of audio is very intrusional and distracting at the moment and keeping me from spending much quality listening time.  Hopefully that will quiet down soon and I can get a more detailed report done.

Thanks for poking your head in and reminding me of this thread, Doc.

Regards all,
JakeJ

Pez

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #4 on: 23 Oct 2009, 05:50 pm »
I forgot about this thread too. Let us know what your findings are. In my system I found the Pentas to be the best so far and I have tried the Gold Lions KT88s and KT66s, standard Shugaungs, and Electro Harmonix as well as various EL34s.

JakeJ

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #5 on: 10 Nov 2009, 10:53 am »
Update - I pulled the Pentas today and plugged in the Gold Lions.

During warm-up I got one pop out of the left channel after that all was quiet.  After about an hour the midrange and lower treble seemed to clear up and become less congested.  Also it seems the GLs are a bit more dynamic and the bass is more punchy than the Pentas.  Time will tell.

YMMV,
JakeJ

ltr317

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #6 on: 10 Nov 2009, 05:09 pm »
Update - I pulled the Pentas today and plugged in the Gold Lions.

During warm-up I got one pop out of the left channel after that all was quiet.  After about an hour the midrange and lower treble seemed to clear up and become less congested.  Also it seems the GLs are a bit more dynamic and the bass is more punchy than the Pentas.  Time will tell.

YMMV,
JakeJ

A pop?  I would test the tubes for grid leakage if that's what you heard, just to be safe. 

p.s. Your new avatar looks like the "re-issued" GT40 I saw at the NY Auto Show a couple of years ago. 

toobluvr

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #7 on: 10 Nov 2009, 06:00 pm »
NOS GE 6550 !     aa

You wanna hear some killer tubes of this type, check these out:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=72972.msg686074#msg686074

I bought 2 quads from Gary, and they are tremendous in my amp.  The SED =C= kt88 I was using are nice, but no comparison to these.    They are dead quiet and look brand new with perfect lettering and clean pins.

I have not tried the Gold Lion reissues nor the Pentas.  I have no desire to as I find it hard to believe they will surpass this 40 y/o specimen of good ol American toobulation!

 :thumb:

JakeJ

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #8 on: 6 Jan 2010, 11:45 am »
    Hello fellow Tube-aholics
Seems I have been negligent is finishing the thread I started.  Well, here’s the rest of my experience with Gold Lion KT88 vs. Penta Labs KT88-SC.
 
I got the Pentas first so obviously they were the ones I listened to first and they were quite a change from the JJs that I got with my VAC PA-160 mono tube amps.  Biggest sonic difference was the JJs sparkly top end was gone.  But soon I noticed the top end was still there just much more natural sounding.  I had always felt the JJs added some splashy emphasis to the treble with cymbals always being more prominent than in real live events.  Even compared to multi-miked amplified rock shows, or recordings, it was hot but never harsh.  The mids are gorgeous and bass was about the same being fairly taut and only a bit rounded.  The midrange on the JJs is also affected by this splashy emphasis as it seems to make vocals more liquid and seductive.  I can see why the previous owner felt they were the best sounding tube he had tried in the amps.
 
A bit about the amps, they are 160 Watt each monoblocks that have three selectable modes of operation, triode, ultralinear and pentode.  They also have six levels of feedback from 0 to about 8 dB of feedback (dependant upon tube type and mode of operation) and they can run any tube in the 6L6 family up to the KT88, KT90 and above need not apply.  The previous owner ran them in triode and no feedback while I prefer ultralinear and about 6 dB of feedback.
 
To my ear the Gold Lions are the cat’s meow overall.  The GLs are a bit punchier in the bass and a tad more dynamic top to bottom than the Pentas or the JJs.  Vocals are not liquid like the JJs but just natural.  Once upon a time I got a rare chance to hear a large choir perform with the Seattle Symphony Orchestra during the Bumbershoot Festival.  It was spectacular to say the least and I have never heard a reproduction that came even close.  Live unamplified choral music does not have this liquid gloss and I feel it’s actually a coloration of the system even if it is a seductive and desirable one.
 
The Pentas are more refined and slightly more resolving losing out in the dynamics department ever so slightly accompanied by that lowered punch in the bottom.  The Pentas do seem to extract just a bit more detail and with it some heightened sense of ambiance.  The audio cliché version of that would be ‘due to their ability to convey a bit more detailed information the soundstage is slightly wider and deeper’.  That said the difference is fairly negligible and what really stands out is the detail, or possibly the tube itself is quieter allowing one to hear into the recording better.  One example I can refer to is my “audiophile” vinyl copy of Friday Night in San Francisco with Al Dimeola, Paco DeLucia, and
John McLaughlin, with the Pentas I can hear more of the fret board finger work and with the GLs this is not as prominent.  The GLs give a bit more of the thump of a hard strum or strong (forté) string pluck.
 
I am amazed at how tonally balanced both tubes are top to bottom is just about perfect, the JJs can’t claim any of this territory.  That’s not to say they are terrible but that added glimmer in the upper midrange through the top counts them out of the running for tonal balance.
 
Onward, today I get to play with Jerry Ramsey’s new cables using liquid polymer conductors.  I have been listening to the speaker cables for a few days and my initial impressions are very good.  I will say there is a big difference between my current reference Omega Mikro Planar V and these liquid jobbies.  The major changes are in veiling, a curtain has been removed, and the top end is more relaxed and natural.  Also a slight glare in the upper midrange is gone.  The Genesis I have utilizes a titanium cone midrange driver and this beauty must be fed carefully or it will bite.  The Omegas were good but the Liquid Illusions are a quantum leap better.
 
Enjoy your tubes, friends.  :thumb:   

Pez

Re: My KT88 Comparisons
« Reply #9 on: 26 Jan 2010, 04:12 am »
Don't know how I missed this one Jake, good to see you finally got around to comparing the Pentas to the GLs. I have compared both and agree almost 100%. I cannot vouch for either tubes low end response, Ironically I haven't tried them in a system that uses tubes in the bass section. Most of my buddies with KT88 tubes use a solid state amp to cover the lower portion. Any way I love the Pentas, it's just too bad that the Treasures came along and ruined that love forever.  :lol: