No Rez question

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gonzo

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No Rez question
« on: 19 Sep 2009, 05:08 pm »
Hi guys,
   I bought some No Rez to replace the thin dampening material in my floor standing speakers, my question is will adding the thicker No Rez alter the internal speaker's cubic foot volume and thus effect the sound? Please forgive my ignorance but I really don't know the answer. Thanks so much for your time.
Jeff

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Re: No Rez question
« Reply #1 on: 19 Sep 2009, 08:31 pm »
The addition of No Rez will slightly act to increase the effective box size.  I know that this is counter-intuitive, but the ability turn additional sound energy into heat acts like a bigger box.  However, it should not seriously affect the loading of your woofers, therefore it should only have positive effects.
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gonzo

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Re: No Rez question
« Reply #2 on: 19 Sep 2009, 11:36 pm »
Thank you, should I apply it to all internal cabinet walls, in other words, every surface the original material was. Thank you again.
Jeff

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Re: No Rez question
« Reply #3 on: 20 Sep 2009, 01:33 am »
Both very good questions IMHO.

 I've been dinking around w/ this hobby for 35 years, and there's always something to learn.

In other words, don't feel apologetic for asking. (Hope I don't sound all "Dr. Phil or Oprah" or anything)

With some things I learned from my friends here, I feel like I been rescued from audio hell. That's what this place is all about, and why I love it.


gonzo

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Re: No Rez question
« Reply #4 on: 20 Sep 2009, 03:40 am »
Thanks drphoto for the kind and encouraging words, that's why I'm here because of people like you and all the others involved in this hobby. I'm just trying to make the best of what I have and that's why I'm comfortable asking for your advice. Again I really appreciate all responses to my questions however trivial they may be. So all responces are truly taken with trust that I will be getting real answers. Thanks to all who have accepted me in this forum.
Best regards Jeff....

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Re: No Rez question
« Reply #5 on: 20 Sep 2009, 10:21 am »
The most important interior cabinet wall to treat is the back wall.

Driver cone materials are very thin and so are also quite acoustically transparent.  The cone obviously vibrates both forward and behind, so equal amounts of acoustical wave energy goes into the room and the cabinet.  So sound pressure levels inside the cabinet are relatively high compared to those in the room.  Those high pressure waves inside the cabinet hit the interior walls and bounce back and forth.  The pressure created helps dampen the cone vibration as needed for good performance.  Lower frequency waves are longer and so they spread out into all directions (just like in the listening room).  Higher frequency waves are shorter and tend to "beam" like light from a flashlight.  Midrange/treble frequencies that hit the back wall first tend to bounce right back towards the driver. 

Since the cone material is somewhat transparent those reflected sound waves come through the cone and into the room as a distorted and delayed copy of the original sound wave you're trying to listen to.  The effect is a smearing of the sound.  No-Rez should help.  BTW designers of rear loaded horns, tuned pipes, and transmission lines account for this by slanting the back wall so that those "beaming" midrange/treble frequency sound waves are directed away from the cone.  In the greater scheme of things, this is not highly significant, so it is often neglected in the design of sealed/ported speakers.  But for audiophiles, good enough is never good enough.

gonzo

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Re: No Rez question
« Reply #6 on: 20 Sep 2009, 03:50 pm »
Thanks JLM
    Your explanation of what goes on inside the speaker really helps me to understand what I'm trying to achieve. I was unaware of the high and low frequences being so different in both wave length and dispersion pattern, it makes sense to treat the rear cabinet wall first and go from there. Thank you again for your time and advice.
Jeff