Question about Open Baffle project

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gvimhoof

Question about Open Baffle project
« on: 14 Sep 2009, 03:40 am »
Greetings!

I have a question of ignorance. I'm building a two-way Open Baffle speaker with
a large 15 inch woofer on the bottom based on the Martin King passive two-way
projects I found on-line. When laying out the placement for the woofer, I
centered it 10 in from the bottom. My question is do I leave the bottom of the
H-frame open to the floor? If I close it off to keep the 16 inch opening the
bottom of the H-Frame will be off the floor and that seems counter-intuitive to
me.

Cordially,
Graf

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #1 on: 14 Sep 2009, 03:56 am »
I suggest both options, first try without the botton and listen for a week,   after put the botton wood and listen for more a week to compare...
You should make notes on a paper about the sound quality of both options to have some matter to decisions.
Good Luck!!  :thumb:

gvimhoof

Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #2 on: 14 Sep 2009, 11:23 pm »
Greetings!

It was definitely a question of ignorance.  I appreciate your taking the time to reply! 

Cordially,
Graf

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #3 on: 15 Dec 2009, 06:00 am »
I finally finished!  Very happy with the results :D!  Stayed up way too late over the weekend listening to different tracks from different CD's. 
They're still breaking in, so they sound a bit "tight," but what I've been hearing so far has left me smiling- even laughing at times!  I've said this a couple of times, but thanks to Martin King for putting such a do-able project out there for us beginners!

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #4 on: 31 Jan 2010, 01:51 am »
Nice job on the speakers.  Now that they've had some time break in, can you give us your impressions.
I'm more interested on how the 103's are doing on that rather small baffle.
Thanks,
Roy

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #5 on: 4 Feb 2010, 02:33 am »
I'm the Production Manager for the UGA Performing Arts Center, so I had my Stage Manager and Production Asst over for dinner and a critique of these speakers before the holiday break in December.  Below is the write up I gave, using my staff's notes, to these speakers on another forum.

     {We listened to many different styles of music: moderne'; wind ensemble; rock; orchestral; chamber; country; blues; bluegrass; a capella; and ended the night with the title track from Pink Floyd's WISH YOU WERE HERE. The drivers had about 35 hours on them at the beginning of the evening. They were definitely smoother and balanced then when I first fired these things up last Saturday night.

      My Production Asst started out the night feeling that the low end was not as full as he would like, but by the end of the night he had changed his mind. He hasn't done much critical listening so far, so my guess is his ears are more conditioned to what he hears on the radio. He liked the sound of the drums and guitar with Green Day. Bluegrass got a checkmark with the banjo sound getting 2 checkmarks (this was the Stage Manager's CD and neither of them wrote down the artist). Dixie Chicks (female vocals over all) were very well liked. A capella got two checkmarks with a note that he could tell the St. Petersburg Male Choir was definitely recorded in our main concert hall. Pink Floyd WYWH: "best I have heard that song."

     Stage Manager has more recording/critical listening experience and he didn't write down each track. He just wrote notes as the night went along. "-frequency response is awesome - no perceived directionality - I'm jealous - *tympany (+drums in general) sound very crisp - great shimmer on cymbals (smaller rolls) - no noticable loss in HF - 15" woofer is NOT muddy - trombone popped out a bit in wind ensemble - mandolin, guitar, banjo sound life like - female vocals sound natural + good throughout - vocals (a capella)!!! - heard every detail in intro to WYWH"}

I haven't stopped listening to these since our write-up and they have really settled in nicely.  All the presence and detail are still there, but with a smoother over-all sound.  The 4in drivers on a 16in baffle work very nicely and the footprint of each speaker is 16inX17in, which really doesn't take up much real estate. 

I think these are definitely a success story.  The only variable that I have found is the cross-over frequency.  I found a person who thought that 200Hz was too high on his 15in Alphas and dropped it down to 125Hz (which I believe is the recommended point).  I found another guy who ran his 15in Alphas straight w/ no cross-over.  I'm very happy with the finished project and may experiment here, since my components are in the open on the back, but it's going to take some self-convincing to get that initiative up.  These sound REALLY SWEET as they are.

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #6 on: 4 Feb 2010, 03:47 am »
Wow, what a great follow-up post.  Very much appreciated.  Must sound awesome if you got that kind of reaction.  More importantly, you're happy with the sound which is great!

Did you say what you're using to drive them?  I like to know what mates well with this setup.

Has anyone done an H-baffle using 12" Eminence instead of 15"?  I have very limited room.  Thanks!

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #7 on: 5 Feb 2010, 12:34 am »
I'm using an Onkyo TX-8222 to drive these.  I remember seeing guys use many different types of amps on this type of set up-  tubes and solid state both.  www.quarter-wave.com is a very good site to check out.  I am not an expert- by any stretch- on design, so I just found something that looked solid and had some success through others' experience.   I originally was looking to buy some nice open baffle speakers, but when I saw the price tags that were being put on some models (Jamo 907's), I thought the best course of action would be DIY.  I think a couple of 12" per side would be pretty solid for bass (the Linkwitz Lab Orions use dual 10" woofers with a width of 13").

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #8 on: 10 Feb 2010, 01:09 pm »
Graf
What is the HF driver you are using? Looks to be a Fostex  :D
Nice write up and great looking build!
Ed

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Re: Question about Open Baffle project
« Reply #9 on: 20 Feb 2010, 04:48 am »
FE103E on top with an Eminence Alpha 15 in the H-frame.  Thanks!