Is it worth it?

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Karnaaj

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« on: 27 Dec 2003, 11:14 pm »
Long time lurker, first time poster.  After much reading and thinking I am ready to make the jump into "hi-end audio".  I've played around with HT gear but never really took it too seriously because of two major problems I have with my listening room.    First is the rooms dimensions: 12x15, 8ft ceiling, one large picture window along one 12ft side and one small window right in the middle of a 15ft wall.  Floors are hardwood as well.  Secondly, and probably the biggest limitation is the power supply.  The entire apartment has two circuits.  One that runs the kitchen, and the other for everything else.  In the summer with the air on I can watch a dvd on my three channel system  (Onkyo tx-ds797, two ten year old advent floorstanders and a BA center) with no problem but if I so much as have a light on in addition, I blow a fuse.  So I guess my main question is can I put together a decent sounding system that won't overload my circuit?  Or am I better off just forgeting about it? I have ~5000 to spend on a system if that helps.  TIA

vpolineni

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« Reply #1 on: 27 Dec 2003, 11:32 pm »
It sounds like you need energy-efficient equipment... digital amps may be just what you need.. check out solar hi-fi's digital amp... very efficient and seems to be receiving excellent praise.. they have a forum here... good luck.

JohnR

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« Reply #2 on: 27 Dec 2003, 11:47 pm »
So put the stereo in the kitchen!! :lol:

J/K :-) I'd be inclined to figure out why you keep blowing fuses before making too many purchasing decisions based on it...It doesn't sound right the way you describe it! :o

Ferdi

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« Reply #3 on: 28 Dec 2003, 12:08 am »
Have to agree with JohnR. Get the power situation checked. Even spending a bit of your budget on getting the power fixed/improved may give you much better options. Many people have additional circuits run for their audio anyway. (guilty :D)

In general: I find that hi end audio is worth it but that may not be true for you.

Good luck!

Ferdi

Karnaaj

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« Reply #4 on: 28 Dec 2003, 12:09 am »
The apartment is about 50 years old.  I may be wrong but I don't think  there is anything wrong other than modern appliances overloading old circuits.   I have talked to the landlord about updating the electricity but I'm not holding my breath. :(

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« Reply #5 on: 28 Dec 2003, 02:24 am »
Hi Karnaaj, welcome to AC. I ell your pain as I can relate to your situation and their's really not much your going to be able to do short of moving. I can pretty much guarantee no help from the landlord lessen you risk a rent increase. Your only workable solution would be to run your system off the kitchen power, maybe via a power conditioner with a long power cord. You could probably get by with adequate results with a BPT CPC that just got reviewed today at 6moons. This might be a cost effective foundation for a good sound system. A good power conditioner will improve even the most modest system, this I know all to well. Your room is not a problem that can't be dealt with. Heavy insulated curtains for the windows would be a good start for dampening the room along with a carpet for the hardwood floor. A good 2 channel system in a small room can be somewhat as effective as a HT system. I would want to find out how much wattage/amperage is actually available in the kitchen circuit before committing myself to anything tho. No sense of buying equipment that'll just end up blowing that circuitbreaker too. :roll: I rent a house but I had the same problems as you and had extension cords running all thru my house til my landlord died. Renting from his widow gave me a little more fredom to take things into my own hands, like disconnecting the 20amp circuit to the attic and running a dedicated circuit in the cellar to my system. My dime of course but this was my highway to a high end system in a rented envirement. I wish you the best of luck at working with what you have at hand. :D Regards, Robin

Karnaaj

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« Reply #6 on: 28 Dec 2003, 08:32 pm »
Leave it up to me to post a message as clear as mud! :oops:   The main gist of what  I was looking for is:  What components should I be looking for that use the least amount of electricity?  I'm thinking that tubes are better than SS , or am I all wet?  Sorry for the ambiguous first post.

JohnR

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« Reply #7 on: 28 Dec 2003, 11:55 pm »
Well, it's an interesting question... there are two "types" of power which I'll call quiescent, which is used all the time even when there is no signal, and dynamic, which is used when you deliver power to the speaker.

In terms of quiescent power usage, Class B solid state would win, and possibly Class D ("digital") although I've never seen any figures on the latter. In terms of dynamic power usage, Class D would be well ahead followed by Class B or AB solid state. Tube amps tend to be poor in quiescent power as they have significant power needed to drive the filaments and bias the tubes.

As far as dynamic power is concerned though, the *big* factor there is actually the efficiency of your speakers. Remember that an increase in efficiency of 3dB means that your amplifiers only need to deliver half as much power to produce the same volume level. 10dB more sensitive means only a tenth as much power is needed. So for minimum (dynamic) power usage, look for efficient speakers of 95dB or higher rating.

That's the power amps. Now the other components. For preamps, passive would have to win, as it consumes no power at all. Next would be using an integrated instead of a separate preamp, probably. For the signal source, well, I think a turntable will use less power than a CD player :-)

Bear in mind that all equipment has a power figure on the back somewhere. This is not likely to be accurate but might provide a guide.

Hope this helps!

JohnR

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« Reply #8 on: 29 Dec 2003, 12:27 am »
yup look for eficient speakers,even horns.
might think about the panasonic reciever that seams to be the latest rage-its digital-
or a cd with volume control and plug direct into amp like a carver pro or the new solar