Power strip - DIY Question

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Power strip - DIY Question
« on: 15 Jul 2009, 01:46 am »
Guys

I'm going to rewire a power strip I have (and change the outlets) with 10ga wire.  I'd like to run parallel, hot, neutral, and ground lines to each of the 4 duplex outlet.  I'd also like to have a captive 10ga power cord attached to it.  The question I have is, how can I join 5 10ga wires together (4 outlets + the incoming wire)?  Not sure if they make wire nuts that will do it.  Does soldering make sense for trying to join that much wire?

Thanks guys.

-Jim

mgalusha

Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #1 on: 15 Jul 2009, 01:58 am »
IMO you should crimp them. Lowes sells soft copper cable crimps in various sizes. The 1/4" size will take 4 x 12 ga or 2 x 10 ga. I have not needed anything larger but I suspect they are available. Note you need a good crimping tool, so if you don't have one this might not be cost effective. If you go this route you will need to insulate them very well. I don't know that I'd run each pair back to the inlet except for the ground.

One possible method is to strip a longer area of the incoming wire and crimp each feed or two separately. That would be easier than trying to shove all 5 together. Again, be really careful with insulating everything.

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Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #2 on: 15 Jul 2009, 12:22 pm »
OR go here http://www.vhaudio.com/wire.html and purchase some Quad Star wire.

BradJudy

Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #3 on: 15 Jul 2009, 12:33 pm »
I posed a similar question a while back (in regards to building a Felix conditioner with separate filters for each outlet - 6 x 12AWG) and it didn't seem like there was a great answer, so I'm curious to see what you do.  I was wondering if I would have to do something like a bus bar or one of the power distribution blocks they use for car audio (which tend to handle three 0/1 AWG cables). 

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Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #4 on: 15 Jul 2009, 01:39 pm »
I built my own power conditioner box which is acting currently as just a power strip.  I used 12awg wire, not 10 and this was difficult enough.  I like Mike's suggestion for crimping, and I might add solder for good measure too.  However, I give you some ideas I've tried and thing I've learned as well.

I used a barrier strip for connecting all the hots together, neutrals together.  Some might not like this idea but it worked. If the crimping doesn't work, this might.  The larger ones have screw terminals and you can wrap the copper wire around the terminals.  Bring each wire to its own terminal but also use a piece of stripped wire that strings together each terminal that you wish to join.  So this wire wraps around the first terminal then onto the second, wrapping around it and then onto the next, etc.  This way each terminal only has to hold two wire thicknesses, not 5-6, and the current doesn't have to conduct through the barrier strip, it is going from bare wire to bare wire.  Its also tidy and makes maintainence or changes easy.

For the ground I use a relatively long bronze bolt through the case and eyelet crimp terminals.  I crimped the ends of each ground wire with an eyelet and then bolted them to the case in a star configuration. 

However, I have since found something available at home depot which I think would work even better.  They sell earth ground connectors that are solid copper.  They are a thick block with a hole for bolting to the case (or the ground source) and then have a hole in the block with a screw down bolt.  You place the bare wire into the hole and screw down tight.   They sell these in various sizes.  I am pretty sure you could find one that could accept all 5 10awg.  I'd twist the ends together with a pair of plier and then put in the hole and screw down tight.  It might work for hot and neutral too if you heatshrink it after or insulate it.  These were in the electrical department.



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Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #5 on: 15 Jul 2009, 04:50 pm »
I'll have to check HD/Lowes for those blocks.  One idea was to make my own now that I have a drill press and can more readily make wire and set-screw holes.  I had considered the star ring arrangement for everything (using some heavy-duty heatshrink for the non-grounds), but had my doubts about how well it would work. 

Browntrout

Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #6 on: 15 Jul 2009, 05:58 pm »
JDUBS how about having no joins at all? Run seperate wires all the way through to the plug. Having four 10 guage runs from sockets to mains lead is not going to give that much of a reduction in resistence (as it is most likely only over six inches in length) where seperating the mains all the way through the block to the plug will give better sound quality even with the very slightly higher impedance.
  If you use smaller guage wire but individual runs all the way through I think you will get a better sound. Cheers, Ben.

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Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #7 on: 16 Jul 2009, 03:08 pm »
Polaris Connectors makes some very nice connectors for this use. 
But, finding a shop that sells them may be difficult.

www.polarisconnectors.com/black.html

JoshK

Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #8 on: 16 Jul 2009, 04:33 pm »
Here are some options.  Not cheap though...

http://www.surplussales.com/Electrical/TerminalStrips/TermStrip-7.html

This is what the HD item looks like.

mark@marktwain

Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #9 on: 16 Jul 2009, 05:04 pm »
Another option, you could just crimp eye terminals on all the like 10ga wires and bolt them together then insulate.

Mark

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Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #10 on: 17 Jul 2009, 02:04 am »
http://www.electrotape.com/electrical-insulating-tapes/electrical-tapes/electrical-tapes-40.html

This is the stuff I use to insulate lage ga. wires that are too large for wire nuts. Electrical suppliers have this as well as big ass copper connectors for the wire. A good wrap of pvc electrical tape on top will ensure longevity.

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Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #11 on: 17 Jul 2009, 03:32 am »
Here is what you need

Electricians use it to splice large guage wires, its made of bronze. Its what I used in making up my super-duper Felix, wherein I had to splice together 8 10Ga. wires.
THen use the rubber splicing tape to insulate the connector.

It available at home Depot in the electrical dept. in a few sizes.

JDUBS

Re: Power strip - DIY Question
« Reply #12 on: 19 Jul 2009, 04:05 pm »
Guys, thank you very much for all the comments and suggestions!!  Very helpful.  Friday, I picked up what mjosef recommended from Home Depot.  I think it should work well.  I will give it a try and report back.

Thank you again!

-Jim