Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?

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Housteau

Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« on: 15 Jun 2009, 02:30 pm »
I enjoy looking for digital remasters of some earlier digital transfers and recordings.  I feel that newer technology in ADCs and other gear allow for an improvement over the original sound quality.  In many cases this has been true, but more and more lately I am finding that the newer transfers are not better, but in fact are far worse than the older originals.

While the technology does allow for better theoretical sound, that part is being ignored by the seemingly universal policy of making all new recordings as loud as possible.  As everyone here already knows this raising of the gain compresses the waveform due to the limited bandwith of the digital format.  In essence they are chopping up the nice waveforms and creating square waves where all the fine details of the music and dynamics are lost.

Unfortunately this is found across the most popular labels and there is little warning of where and when you will run across it.  I would say that at least one half of my new purchases all suffer from this.

Rock music has always suffered from poor recording in general, but not always.  A few years ago Rush released a long awaited new recording Vapor Trails.  It has come to be known by professionals as a benchmark of how not to master a good recording.  It is one of the most horrible recordings ever released by anyone due to the extreme compression involved.

Recently hope was given as several of those songs were to be remixed for the new release Retrospective 3.  Here was the chance to try and repair some of the damage that has previously been done along with an apparent admission of the wrong doing.  This gave me some hope for the future that just maybe someone in the right place gets it.

Well, this was not to be.  Not only were the remixes maxed out in gain to the point of further destruction, but previous songs from earlier remasters that had been done very well were also boosted to their point of obliteration to match the levels of the known benchmark of what not to do.

Here is one example.  This is the song Presto from an earlier remaster.  See how nice the waveforms look.



Now here is the same song on Retrospective 3:



A person doesn't even need ears to realize what has been done here and this is just one example.  I could very easily cite many more examples across all major labels that reflect similar problems.  Is this what we all have to look forward to in the future?  Do we already have and own the best digital music and recordings from our favorite artists that we can hope to find?  In my case I have found that remasters done several years ago might just have been the peak of sound quality.

mcullinan

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #1 on: 15 Jun 2009, 02:33 pm »
I noticed on the new Check Your head Beasties Remaster that it seems like they turned the Bass WAY up, like they are trying to enter an SPL contest. Not sure why they did this. And its not good.
Mike

Housteau

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #2 on: 15 Jun 2009, 09:20 pm »
Alan Parsons has a newer recording called A Valid Path.  It has his trademark sound done in a techno style.  I like it and always thought it sounded pretty good with strong layered bass lines.  Looking at what the digital signal actually looks like makes me wonder how it is possible to sound as good as it does.  Here is a man known for producing works with very good sonics, yet even he has fallen prey to the louder is better group.  Here is one of the songs on A Valid Path called We Play the game:



It is not only the remasters I need to look out for, but even new recordings from those I thought I could trust from their past track records.  The sad thing is that even though they may sound ok, there is no way of actually knowing how good they could have been.  My guess is that the studio work is probably ok in most of these cases and the extreme damage due to compression has been done in the final mastering stages prior to release.

So, here we are sort of right back at the beginning once again with a hope and prayer going out for remasters that are geared towards improving the sound and not just creating some new marketing ploy.

firedog

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #3 on: 15 Jun 2009, 10:02 pm »
I won't buy remasters any more unless I hear/read from a reliable source that they haven't been volume compressed. They sound good for about 5 seconds, and then they start to hurt my head.

I'm hoping (praying?) that the new Beatles remasters coming out in the fall won't be ruined. I've read that they've been "lightly" compressed, which could be okay. Seems a shame to work hard to bring out all that detail, and then ruin it by volume compressing.

BTW, I'm not sure it's always the artist's/producer's fault. I think sometimes the record company forces them to volume compress.

nathanm

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #4 on: 17 Jun 2009, 10:27 pm »
The word "remastered" has become a curse word in my mind.  I even feel a sense of despair when I see my old favorite albums being re-released, not that I would buy them again, but I feel like I have to hang onto the originals like grim death because now they've been contaminated.  So it's a complete negative marketing tactic.  Even seeking out an older release which I have never heard makes me apprehensive.


Wayner

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #5 on: 17 Jun 2009, 11:07 pm »
The Beatles "remastered" is not possible. The source tape is the master and it aint gonna get any better then that. You can process, reprocess, up the bit rate and over sample till the cows come home and it won't get any better. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear....so to speak. Any "remastering" only reveals how shitty the original engineers did on the recording. It's not usually the media's fault. I've heard wonderful recordings on vinyl and CDs. but in the wrong hands, any remaster is a total loss.

Wayner :)

rockadanny

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #6 on: 18 Jun 2009, 11:52 am »
Sure would be nice if there was a service which tested "remasters". Is there one?

Housteau

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #7 on: 18 Jun 2009, 01:09 pm »
The Beatles "remastered" is not possible. The source tape is the master and it aint gonna get any better then that.


I believe that you are an optimist thinking that a remaster would be done for us, that is those that actually care about the sound quality :).  I also believe that Beatles remasters are very possible, but not necessarily to a good end.  I agree that they are unlikely to be better than the sources they come from, although better transfers are definately possible.  But, I see more of the dark side here and how they could certainly be made worse with digital saturation, as in my examples above.  Almost all new releases suffer from this, not just the remasters. 

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I've heard wonderful recordings on vinyl and CDs. but in the wrong hands, any remaster is a total loss.

Agreed.  It is often all marketing and unfortunately their target audience is rarely those that care about actual good sound.  I think they are shooting more for the Bose crowd that superficially listens and likes the larger than life artificial flavours compression brings.
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jimdgoulding

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #8 on: 25 Jun 2009, 07:21 pm »
Geez, I just ordered a JVC XRCD remaster of The Planets for $30.00!  I'm sure hoping this is a good one.  Speaking of more recent recordings, Diane Krall's The Girl in the Other Room sounds bad to me.  Her voice has this silvery edge to it that I don't hear on All For You which was released much earlier.  Same production team but different label.

Wayner

Re: Remasters - An Ugly Trend Getting Worse?
« Reply #9 on: 25 Jun 2009, 07:30 pm »
Jim,

I have that CD from Telarc, but I'm thinking that it's out of print. JVC does a good job, so I wouldn't worry. I thought at one time they did the pressings for MOFI, so that aint too shabby.

The Telarc version of this didn't use any compression and there was a warning on the CD not to have the volume control higher than 9 o'clock for the big bang was on the way and it could surely cause clipping for some folks.

Wayner :)