[richidoo]

No it is NOT. 

[satfrat]

No it is NOT. 

He's a cheapskate.

So am I but if I had the scratch, I'd be all over them. I love Synergistic Research products.

Cheers,
Robin

[topround]

I do not think it can replace your standard room treatments like panels and bass traps etc.

I heard them in JBtrio's system, his room is completely treated and his system is very high end, and most excellent.
In a lesser system (such as mine) it may not make such a difference, or rather it may be more difficult to discern the differences.
I am not sure of this as I have not heard them in my system, but in Joe's highly evolved system they worked well, well enough for me to want to own them(just not buy them)

Mike

[Mariusz]

I do not think it can replace your standard room treatments like panels and bass traps etc.

I heard them in JBtrio's system, his room is completely treated and his system is very high end, and most excellent.
In a lesser system (such as mine) it may not make such a difference, or rather it may be more difficult to discern the differences.
I am not sure of this as I have not heard them in my system, but in Joe's highly evolved system they worked well, well enough for me to want to own them(just not buy them)

Mike

No it is NOT. 

He's a cheapskate.

So am I but if I had the scratch, I'd be all over them. I love Synergistic Research products.

Cheers,
Robin

Really????

[ted_b]

Mariusz,
If you haven't heard them, and don't ever plan to evaluate them and/or buy them, why post on this thread??  There was plenty of room for making fun of them, and those stupid people that are investigating them, on the "would you buy these for $3k?" thread.

I'm in Joe's category; I have a fairly hi-end dedicated room, well treated with Realtraps bass traps, RFZ's and diffusors.  I plan on evaluating them in-home.  I've heard them in rooms where they work (RMAF, and the SR CES room) and rooms where they didn't (RMAF).  Also, I also have the utmost respect for several folks who've heard these (or the similar Franck Tchang tuning resonator bowls) and were dumbfounded by the positive results...enough to realize that we all thought the earth was flat for too long.

[Mariusz]

Mariusz,
If you haven't heard them, and don't ever plan to evaluate them and/or buy them, why post on this thread??  There was plenty of room for making fun of them, and those stupid people that are investigating them, on the "would you buy these for $3k?" thread.

I'm in Joe's category; I have a fairly hi-end dedicated room, well treated with Realtraps bass traps, RFZ's and diffusors.  I plan on evaluating them in-home.  I've heard them in rooms where they work (RMAF, and the SR CES room) and rooms where they didn't (RMAF).  Also, I also have the utmost respect for several folks who've heard these (or the similar Franck Tchang tuning resonator bowls) and were dumbfounded by the positive results...enough to realize that we all thought the earth was flat for too long.

For the record
I own SR cables (not in use but nevertheless) and think of them as quality product (regardless of what I've paid for them).
I do think acoustics play a big part of successful music reproduction.
This..........is not IT.
I can build these over the weekend and test it - unless there is a magic dust which is from out of space.
My loughs are related to the price and value considering today's economy.

Sorry if you felt offended ............... but please do not let my sense of humor stop you from purchasing this
GREAT ACOUSTIC INNOVATION.

[lonewolfny42]

If it was a choice between acoustic panels and "the bowls"...go for the panels.

They work....for everyone !

[satfrat]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

If it was a choice between acoustic panels and "the bowls"...go for the panels.

I can build these over the weekend and test it - unless there is a magic dust which is from out of space.

Almost.

Mike,you know this stuff is so close to real Voo-Doo it's not funny.plus the value added to cost ratio is silly beyond words.....

Cheers,
Robin

[lonewolfny42]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

Not really....my post is "on the money"...panels are better....and I've heard both.

[satfrat]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

Not really....my post is "on the money"...panels are better....and I've heard both.

In your room or in a hotel room?

[Mariusz]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

If it was a choice between acoustic panels and "the bowls"...go for the panels.

I can build these over the weekend and test it - unless there is a magic dust which is from out of space.

Almost.

Mike,you know this stuff is so close to real Voo-Doo it's not funny.plus the value added to cost ratio is silly beyond words.....

Cheers,
Robin

If you want to hear the true and not afraid of it - just ask your friendly New Yorker.

[lonewolfny42]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

Not really....my post is "on the money"...panels are better....and I've heard both.

In your room or in a hotel room?

RMAF....along with Captain Humble....SP Tech/Tweekgeek room.

How about this....Mike Garner mentioned a demo...you should try them Robin, and see what you think.

[satfrat]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

If it was a choice between acoustic panels and "the bowls"...go for the panels.

I can build these over the weekend and test it - unless there is a magic dust which is from out of space.

Almost.

Mike,you know this stuff is so close to real Voo-Doo it's not funny.plus the value added to cost ratio is silly beyond words.....

Cheers,
Robin

If you want to hear the true and not afraid of it - just ask your friendly New Yorker.

Yea right!

[lonewolfny42]

Full disclosure: I am a dealer, so I may be biased.  Nonetheless you can demo them for yourself if you wish.

................

[satfrat]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

Not really....my post is "on the money"...panels are better....and I've heard both.

In your room or in a hotel room?

RMAF....along with Captain Humble....SP Tech/Tweekgeek room.

How about this....Mike Garner mentioned a demo...you should try them Robin, and see what you think.

I think not Chris,,,, I'm still trying to figure out how to send back this $1149 Locus Design USB cable. The last thing I need is another $3000 monkey on my back.

Cheers,
Robin

[ted_b]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

Not really....my post is "on the money"...panels are better....and I've heard both.

In your room or in a hotel room?

RMAF....along with Captain Humble....SP Tech/Tweekgeek room.

Chris,
That was the room I was referring to, where they DIDN'T work.  I know..I ran that room.    But at SR's CES room, as well as their RMAF room on 2nd floor mez, they sounded much better (i.e they worked).

[Mariusz]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

If it was a choice between acoustic panels and "the bowls"...go for the panels.

I can build these over the weekend and test it - unless there is a magic dust which is from out of space.

Almost.

Mike,you know this stuff is so close to real Voo-Doo it's not funny.plus the value added to cost ratio is silly beyond words.....

Cheers,
Robin

If you want to hear the true and not afraid of it - just ask your friendly New Yorker.

Yea right!

Come on Robin , admit - YOU LOVE US.

[satfrat]

My personal feeling is the ART System is a type of musical room treatment that adds to the room's ambiance while panels do nothing of the kind and are basically used to take away from what the room itself is adding. Two completely different animals as I'm seeing it.

Cheers,
Robin

[lonewolfny42]

Trash talking must be a New York thing.

Not really....my post is "on the money"...panels are better....and I've heard both.

In your room or in a hotel room?

RMAF....along with Captain Humble....SP Tech/Tweekgeek room.

Chris,
That was the room I was referring to, where they DIDN'T work.  I know..I ran that room.    But at SR's CES room, as well as their RMAF room on 2nd floor mez, they sounded much better (i.e they worked).

Were there other acoustic panels in that room Ted ? (the good sounding room)

How do the bowls work without any other treatments present ?

[audioaffliction]

I don't think the ART system is meant to displace, replace or otherwise make redundant the room treatments that we're used to, i.e. bass traps, panels, etc. The system I heard them in was one that had other room issues that had to be dealt with--some of these had been somewhat cured with tube traps, panels and even a pretty expensive active system to even out bass issues caused by a standing wave. This was work that happened over 2 or 3 years, so by the time I heard the ART, I'd seen this system evolve quite gradually over that time. The ART stuff brought about a positive change that I would peg as equal to or greater than all the other treatments in the room combined. Even so, none of the other treatments are coming out. And they probably never will.

The ART worked great in that system, but again, if the ART came first I'm sure that the other treatments would eventually have to follow. This isn't some kind of magic bullet cure-all for every type of room acoustic issue. Fairly priced? I don't even know how to evaluate that. Unlike other people, I have no skills or tools to actually fabricate anything similar to this stuff. And having been up close and handled it, I think there's a bit more to their construction than meets the eye. The "bell" part of the Gravitron or whatever it's called is made of an unusual material that is NOT obviously metallic. I thought upon first inspection that it was some kind of ceramic. The antenna-like protrusion at the top of the "bell" is actually a series of spherical magnets, and quite powerful ones too. They attach magnetically to the "bell", so that's got to have some metal in it. Oh, and I call it a bell because apart from looking like one, if you flick it with your finger, it rings like one.

As someone has mentioned before, $3000 is not an unreasonable price to pay for upgrading a component. For the money, I think those of you who can afford it AND whose rooms DO respond to it, are getting an upgrade that's system-wide. And that seems pretty fair to me. So yeah, if it was $800 I'd be all over it.