Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records

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JCC

Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« on: 17 Feb 2009, 09:51 pm »
Mapleshade sells the Phonophile Deep Cleaning System for $150. You can buy various hand held steam cleaners for ~$30. Many audio posts on varying forums claim that they are using these inexpensive steamers with good results on their vinyl collection. A few years ago Michael Fremer from Stereophile reported positively on steam cleaning. In various posts, I have seen individuals describe warping of the record while cleaning that seems to disappear after the process is completed. The warping description scared me.  :(

Have any of you experimented with steam cleaning your precious vinyl. I would be interested in your experience.

nature boy

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #1 on: 17 Feb 2009, 10:00 pm »
I use a steamer in conjunction with Disc Doctor record cleaner.  Works very well, especially on very dirty records.  As long as you don't hold the nozzle too close to the record, everything is ok.  If careful, you can avoid getting the album labels wet. 

I dry them off the albums in a regular dish drainer if I'm doing several at a time. My wife is convinced that I am obsessive-compulsive about my vinyl and stereo accumulation habits.  Go figure.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

NB

JCC

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #2 on: 17 Feb 2009, 10:12 pm »
What brand of steamer are you using? I have heard lots of good things about Disc Doctor.

orthobiz

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #3 on: 17 Feb 2009, 11:30 pm »
I have used the Phonophile. I use it in the GEM Dandy; it holds it much better than laying it flat on a towel. If I get industrious, I'll post a picture. I use it on garage records, smelly ones. Seems to help.

Paul

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Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #4 on: 18 Feb 2009, 01:44 am »
Hi Jesse,

I decided to go ahead and post this even though I have already sent it to you. I am sure some others will have opinions that will help you.

Here is a description of what I use and how I go about it. I hope it makes sense I have never tried to explain it to anyone before.

I bought a 12” marble lazy-susan on ebay for about $20 delivered and put two layers of shelf liner on it, this allows any excess water to drain away from the record. I use L’Art du Son cleaner because of its price and it has no alcohol. I had a couple of old Discwasher brushes and like them because they hold a lot of liquid and have a large surface area. The steamer I use is a Shark again because I had it. The only drawback with it is there are two openings in the nozzle so one does not hit the record.

My thoughts on cleaning are plenty of liquid and lots of agitation. So I put a bead of cleaner around the record and using a wet brush cover the record brushing forward and backwards several times around. Then holding the nozzle about 8” away and at a 45-60 degree angle to the record surface work from the outside to the inside.

The vapor that hits the record is not steam at this distance but warm to the touch pressurized water vapor. I do not believe any brush is fine enough to get down into the groove. So I use the brush and steamer to agitate the cleaner that is in there.

After the first steaming I use the brush again then steam and brush. Then I do the other side. I spend about 5-6 minutes on each side.

I put a short screw driver shaft through the spindle hole and take the record to the wash tub where I use a spray washer on it. Holding the record vertical I hit it with just enough force to rotate it. I don’t want to pressure wash it. I do this for about a minute getting it completely rinsed, and then turn the record around doing the other side.

I then lay the record on a lint free towel and cover it with distilled water, putting on as much as it will hold. (This and the water I use to mix the cleaner are the only time I use distilled. Because of the spray wash it did not make sense to use it in the steamer, though if your water is hard it might be wise.) I use the second brush and go around in both directions several times, then stand the record on edge to drain and repeat the distilled water and brushing part.

I use the miracle cloth to dry it and flip it over onto a clean part of the towel and do the other side. I let the record air dry for a maybe ten minutes and put it into a clean poly sleeve.

As you can see I believe in using a lot of water when cleaning just like when I clean anything else, it dilutes the dirt and gives me more chance of removing it. I have never tried holding the steamer close enough to heat the vinyl in order to remove warps. The spray that hits it is just warm on my hand.

I have cleaned over 400 lps this way with no problems and great results. I can afford a RCM but I hate the noise and do not believe that my collection would be cleaner if I used one. I can clean four records on a tank of water and spend on average about 18 minutes on each.

All I can suggest is if you want to give it a try start on some records that have little value to you (though I have never damaged one) and get comfortable with it. This is an area where everyone has strong opinions so all I am doing is telling you what works for me.

Good luck!

Regards,
Todd

nature boy

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #5 on: 18 Feb 2009, 02:02 am »
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What brand of steamer are you using

It's a Euro professional portable steamer.

NB

lofreek

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #6 on: 18 Feb 2009, 04:03 pm »
The steamer I have is the Rigel Dany 306; http://www.veloxitaly.it/prodottibee5.html?linea=2&lingua=eng

This is not a cheap device.

I tried many different approaches to using the steamer for cleaning records. The way that worked the best was using it in conjunction with my VPI 16.5, vacuum on, with the shot of steam immediately ahead of the pickup tube. I believe that vacuuming the sludge before it had a chance to cool off was the key.

The results were good, but not better than what I got without the steam using DD fluid and the VPI.

As far as the potential for damaging a record, I consider it minor. Although water boils at 212 Fahrenheit at sea level, the actual temp of the steam as it exits the nozzle is lower than 212. I had to place the nozzle almost right on the vinyl to cause any groove deformation.

My verdict on steam - more trouble than it is worth.


nathanm

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #7 on: 18 Feb 2009, 04:13 pm »
Steam cleaning is outdated, you should switch to diesel instead.

orthobiz

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #8 on: 19 Feb 2009, 11:06 pm »

I have cleaned over 400 lps this way with no problems and great results. I can afford a RCM but I hate the noise and do not believe that my collection would be cleaner if I used one. I can clean four records on a tank of water and spend on average about 18 minutes on each.

Regards,
Todd


You da man! All I need is your address. I can send you 400 lps for cleaning right now!!! lol

Paul

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Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #9 on: 20 Feb 2009, 02:11 am »
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You da man! All I need is your address. I can send you 400 lps for cleaning right now!!! lol

You might get them back this time next year I still have ~200 of my own to go. :lol:

Regards,
Todd

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Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #10 on: 25 Feb 2009, 04:29 pm »
I just use a mixture of Dawn dishwashing liquid, alchohol and distilled water applied with a paint brush.

I have never come across a record that I couldn't clean with that. Even the moldy ones.

JCC

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #11 on: 25 Feb 2009, 06:23 pm »
I just use a mixture of Dawn dishwashing liquid, alchohol and distilled water applied with a paint brush.

I have never come across a record that I couldn't clean with that. Even the moldy ones.

I suggest that you bottle it and call it Hypnotoadclean and sell it for $29.95 a pint.

orthobiz

Re: Steam Cleaning Vinyl Records
« Reply #12 on: 26 Feb 2009, 02:11 am »
I just use a mixture of Dawn dishwashing liquid, alchohol and distilled water applied with a paint brush.

I have never come across a record that I couldn't clean with that. Even the moldy ones.

1:1:1 mixture?
Sponge paint brush?
And then you steam it off?

Paul