Sub $200 tube preamp completed

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BillB

Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« on: 6 Feb 2009, 02:18 am »
Success at last!!

Over the last few days I have been building and subsequently troubleshooting my newest preamp design. I  :scratch: and  :icon_twisted: and suddenly  :oops: when I realized I wired the pins backwards!  :duh:

Anyways...enough about me! What about the preamp?

I wanted to build a simple preamp that could either be built as a kit or assembled in a day or so with pretty cheap parts but would provide a level of performance way out of its pricing league.

The design is a single polarity common cathode with humbucking feedback to eliminate noise. All resistors are 1% metals and the signal caps are Jantzen Z-standard and cross-caps (right at a buck a piece). Total parts cost was $150, with shipping involved $175 or so.

The tube is a 6j6 which is a common cathode dual triode in a miniature 7 pin bottle. Here is one next to a 12ax7:



The chassis is a Hammond job, as is the tranny and choke (if these were sold the PSU would be changed to a CRC filter with comparable ripple and voltage for cost savings).

Selector switch is from TCJ and the pot is an ALPS blue.



The heaters are odd as they are exposed and glow all the way up the side of the tubes:



And finally, the insides:



How does it sound?

Like a lot more than $200, but not like $1000 thats for sure. I would put it on the warm side like the candela or VTL deluxe that I own. I have only listened to a few songs so I don't have detailed impressions, but I listened to some of my usual test songs and I have a pretty good idea of what it will sound like over time.

Highs are smooth and sort of laid back, but accurate. Bass is much the same...at first I thought it was thin but then I realized it was more warm and accurate sounding. Mids are warm. Detail is good but not heart-stopping, it certainly would not replace my Aikido but at less than half the price I did not expect it to either. Soundstage is wide but not particularly deep, it has some depth but it does not project forward like the aikido can.

Overall I am pretty happy. I have some Westinghouse tubes coming and a lot of the Russian version coming as well.


BillB

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #1 on: 6 Feb 2009, 03:30 am »
I guess I should be happy. I let my wife listen and she responded: "It's not high-end and its not low...if people would stop buying that bose crap this is what they would have."

While that would be a slight to most of us, I understand what she was saying. So it seems like the goal has been reached...a low price pre that provides pretty good middle of the line performance.

She later commented that she had never heard a song sound so good.  :duh: Women.  :lol:

The system:

Onix CD-5
DIY preamp
Monarchy SM-70 pro
Onix X-sub
Jordan JX92s fullrange drivers in 5l sealed box.

Theogenes

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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #2 on: 6 Feb 2009, 03:39 am »
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!! That's awesome, Bill!!!! Now to get you and the ATL crew up to NC sometime so I can hear it!!


...(and not break this one  :oops:)

Mike B.

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #3 on: 6 Feb 2009, 03:47 am »
Nice work. Swap out the Alps Blue for one of those Chinese discrete resistor ladder type attenuators and pick up a bunch of clearity.

JoshK

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #4 on: 6 Feb 2009, 04:04 am »
Nice!  Nothing like a cheap tube preamp you made yourself. 

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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #5 on: 6 Feb 2009, 05:37 am »
Nice, Bill!  Its very difficult to get any high quality tube gear for low cost (under, say, $500)...the parts themselves just add up too fast.

BillB

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #6 on: 6 Feb 2009, 11:04 am »
The parts do add up too fast. The sub $1 tubes help this immensely.


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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #7 on: 6 Feb 2009, 12:26 pm »
Great job Bill!  And damn fast, might I add!  Let me know if you want to get rid of it to make room for your next project...  I'm your man.

BillB

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #8 on: 6 Feb 2009, 03:40 pm »
I don't think this one is prime-time ready though I would be happy to build one for you. Some lessons learned from this one should equal a much better product in the end. If my Westinghouse tubes come this weekend I will beat on it a bit to make sure it holds up.

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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #9 on: 7 Feb 2009, 11:25 am »
Well, when it is ready let me know.  I guess it would be too much too ask for it to be sub $200 Canadian  :cry:...

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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #10 on: 8 Feb 2009, 03:35 am »
Right on Bill.  Glad to hear you got the pins wiring corrected.   :thumb:

Hope the new 6T9 tubes are en route to you.  I still feel bad that Stuart's jams killed your amp.   :evil:  :lol:

BTW, you missed a good show last night.  YMSB played some good sets at the Tabernacle.

BillB

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #11 on: 8 Feb 2009, 03:59 am »
Yeah I know...the cougar that works across from me went.

I have 10 6t9s on the way!!

This $200 pre is something else...not great, not the end-all of the audio world, but man does it provide a pretty healthy slice for that price.

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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #12 on: 9 Feb 2009, 03:07 am »
Really cool Bill!

BillB

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #13 on: 9 Feb 2009, 03:25 am »
We listened for a couple hours today and I think its biggest fault is being a little over critical to the source.

I was using Rhapsody as this will most likely be a desktop rig for most folks. Someone suggested using a carbon resistor to "dirty it up" a bit and I think this might be the ticket.

It is just overly sensitive to compression right now and it diminishes the experience a bit, with clean source material it is pretty gorgeous.

Who would've thought that one would need to ADD noise.  :lol:

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Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #14 on: 9 Feb 2009, 11:47 pm »
Wow! Nice work. Love the circuit idea as well. Never heard of the 6J6. Might want to look into this one  :scratch:

Anand.

JoshK

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #15 on: 10 Feb 2009, 12:58 am »
6J6 is similar/same as an ECC91 I think.  ECC91 is quite the useful tube.  Relatively high gm, highish gain.

BillB

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #16 on: 10 Feb 2009, 01:00 am »
Yes 6j6 and ECC91 are the same.

Mu is 38 so its in between an au7 and at7.

Hard part is dealing with the common cathode.

droht

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #17 on: 10 Feb 2009, 01:54 am »
Very cool Bill; keep it up.

Listens2tubes

Re: Sub $200 tube preamp completed
« Reply #18 on: 17 Mar 2009, 10:15 pm »
 :thumb: Any changes with use/time? Usually these things just get better. :D