Candela Tube Life

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laserboi

Candela Tube Life
« on: 4 Feb 2009, 09:20 pm »
Hey Folks,

Thanks in advance for those who take the time to read and reply.  First, I'm one of the Candela owners who leaves his on all day long along with my Stratos.  The reason I do this is because when I shut down my Candela and leave my amp on I hear a pop out of my speakers so I would rather not take the chance.  I was wondering how long I can expect the tubes in my Candela to last while turned on 24/7?  For those who may ask,  yes I have switched the Candela to the HT Bypass and I still hear the pop.

Thanks again,

-Pete

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Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #1 on: 4 Feb 2009, 09:35 pm »
I think your tubes will last (depending on age) from 1000 to 10000 hours. 

As far as the pop, I turn the volume all the way down and only experience a slight click.  It does pop with the volume up.

You can also turn the amps off then the Candela.  Reverse for start.  That will alleviate the pop.

laserboi

Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #2 on: 4 Feb 2009, 10:09 pm »
Thanks for the quick response.  This concerns me since over the course of a year tubes would be on 8000+ hours so surely I would need new tubes by this May/June without any doubt.  I guess what I'll start doing is powering down the amp > preamp > cd player and then powering back up the amp so I don't lose the charge in the caps.  Thanks again.

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Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #3 on: 5 Feb 2009, 05:15 pm »
It is always recommended to turn the volume down before turning the preamp (any) off. A small light click from the Candela when turning off the unit is not an issue and should not be a concern. Of more concern would be a loud thump at turn-on mainly from older solid state amps.

Regarding tube life on small signal (preamp) tubes is very much dependant among other factors, on how “hard” the tube is running in terms of total tube dissipation measured as “Wmax”. The Candela preamp circuit as designed runs the ECC82/12AU7 tubes very conservative at 36% of total tube capacity, very light indeed. In this specific case tube life expectancy should be long. In general terms and adding my own personal experience close to forty years using tubes, dramatic failure normally occurs in the first (or less) hour of operation that in my view would be indicative of poor circuit design and/or tube manufacturing quality control. In over 300 plus JJ’s tubes used so far I have seen only “one” tube failed and caught of course within the initial testing and burn-in time.

For the record, the original “Candela” prototype preamp has been mostly on (JJ tubes) close to four years now, or 30,000 plus hours! A couple months ago I tested these tubes in my tube analyzer (please read tube analyzer ant not tube tester), and they were still measuring at over 90%!!

Now, keep in mind that like a light bulb a vacuum tube can go anytime…chances are that a good quality tube should last a long time in the “mighty Candela preamp”. Food for thought…  aa

Thank you,

Alex

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Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #4 on: 5 Feb 2009, 05:19 pm »
Alex
What is the output impedance of the Candela?  Sorry for the OT question.

Looking forward to updates on the Kismet LS.
Mark

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Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #5 on: 5 Feb 2009, 06:09 pm »
It is always recommended to turn the volume down before turning the preamp (any) off. A small light click from the Candela when turning off the unit is not an issue and should not be a concern. Of more concern would be a loud thump at turn-on mainly from older solid state amps.

Regarding tube life on small signal (preamp) tubes is very much dependant among other factors, on how “hard” the tube is running in terms of total tube dissipation measured as “Wmax”. The Candela preamp circuit as designed runs the ECC82/12AU7 tubes very conservative at 36% of total tube capacity, very light indeed. In this specific case tube life expectancy should be long. In general terms and adding my own personal experience close to forty years using tubes, dramatic failure normally occurs in the first (or less) hour of operation that in my view would be indicative of poor circuit design and/or tube manufacturing quality control. In over 300 plus JJ’s tubes used so far I have seen only “one” tube failed and caught of course within the initial testing and burn-in time.

For the record, the original “Candela” prototype preamp has been mostly on (JJ tubes) close to four years now, or 30,000 plus hours! A couple months ago I tested these tubes in my tube analyzer (please read tube analyzer ant not tube tester), and they were still measuring at over 90%!!

Now, keep in mind that like a light bulb a vacuum tube can go anytime…chances are that a good quality tube should last a long time in the “mighty Candela preamp”. Food for thought…  aa

Thank you,

Alex


I always turn my preamp off while leaving the amps powered up. I never get the popping sound, and this is all new to me. Am I doing something right for a change? But I do get a popping sound when I turn off my turntable motor. But on the otherhand I never had this with my other turntable. Got tobe a grounding issue.
gary

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Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #6 on: 6 Feb 2009, 09:23 am »
Thanks for the reply Alex.   :thumb:

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Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #7 on: 7 Feb 2009, 06:29 pm »
Alex
What is the output impedance of the Candela?  Sorry for the OT question.

Looking forward to updates on the Kismet LS.
Mark


Mark,

The Candela has a nominal (SPICE simulation) output impedance of less than 2K (<2K). In reality is below 1K as determined by circuit coupling resistor.

No updates on the Kismet LS yet.

Thanks,
Alex

laserboi

Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #8 on: 8 Feb 2009, 07:25 am »
Something dreadful happened today.  After work I decided to listen to some Andrew Bird on my stereo and I noticed that the imaging was strangely focused to the left.  Crazy, is what I thought I was at first but then I realized after the third song started that something was horribly wrong.  Standing next to the right speaker I listened intently only to discover that the highs were muffled with what sounded like some distortion and the volume for the mids and bass were recessed.  Could this be what it sounds like when a tube is going out, which would be ironic since I just posted with question a couple of days ago?

Also, is it smart to leave my source (Primare CD21) on at all times if I have my Candela off and my Stratos on?

klaus@odyssey

Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #9 on: 8 Feb 2009, 09:21 am »
Internal fuse in the amp.

laserboi

Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #10 on: 8 Feb 2009, 06:18 pm »
I just read through my Stratos Manual and I was not able to find any info about the fuses.  What are the values and where do you recommend I buy new ones if that is indeed the problem?  Should I be able to see the defective fuse with my eyes or do I need to test it with some sort of meter?  Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Pete

laserboi

Re: Candela Tube Life
« Reply #11 on: 8 Feb 2009, 09:02 pm »
Ok so I unplugged my Stratos and looked under the hood.  I saw four fuses, two on each side of the internal compartment.  All four seemed fine to my eye as I saw no burnt spots and or breaks in the filament.  I also unhooked my Candela and set up my old Jolida 1501 integrated to make sure that my right speaker wasn't damaged and it sounds fine.  Now I'm really at a loss, any ideas?