The joys of Active Speakers

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Tyson

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The joys of Active Speakers
« on: 1 Feb 2009, 09:04 pm »
Man I love having a modded DCX in my system.  The amount of control it gives me is amazing.  Recently I got a Scott Nixon Tubedac from a member here on AC, to hook up to my Satellite HDTV audio feed, as a way to deal with the harshness, distortion, and clipping that is frequently encoded directly into original signal.  So, I have my Audio-GD DAC8 for my DVD's and Blue Rays, the Nixon for HDTV, and the Bolder Super Duet for my music. 

Of course I have to A-B the new DAC against my Duet, and while the SN does some nice things in the mids, the Duet just spanks it in bass power, sounding much more solid and present.  Pretty much what I expected, based on the last time I owned the tubedac a few years ago.  But it still suites my purposes just fine for the current setup.

I did think that the texture and detail of the bass was pretty good, just a bit soft and rolled off.  So on a lark I decide to use the DCX to simply boost the bass region by 0.6 db, and the results were very impressive indeed.  The SN sounds a lot more balanced and richer, putting it much closer to the Duet in these areas.  I think the Duet still has better dynamics and better focus/separation (with similar "lack of harshness" in the mids/highs), so it stays as my primary music source, but I think it's interesting that a little bit of shaping in the frequency domain can address an area like this so easily. 

I guess the beauty is that I can adjust things to get the sound that "I" like, and I truly love that.

Only caveat - protect those tweeters!  I had my tweeter amp oscillate on me during power down, and it took out one of the ribbons.  Replacement is on the way, but I've had Wayne at Bolder make a speaker-level Auricap Capacitor in-line attachment to protect it from any future funny business from an amp.

JoshK

Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #1 on: 1 Feb 2009, 09:10 pm »
Tyson,

Sounds like you have a good thing going.  Just one comment.  Regulation will help the tubedac gain better bass.   Tubecad.com sells some regulator kits.  Maybe one of the local audio guys there will help you out if you aren't apt to DIY.  I'd wager it'd close the gap in the bass department.

Josh

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Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #2 on: 1 Feb 2009, 09:13 pm »
I assumed the 3xac power supply was regulated, is that not the case? 

JoshK

Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #3 on: 1 Feb 2009, 09:15 pm »
No idea...  I guess I shouldn't have commented not really knowing the SN dac.

It is just usually the case that tubes have less firm bass w/o regulation, so I guessed that was your case.


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Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #4 on: 1 Feb 2009, 09:21 pm »
I'll send Scott an email but he seems slow to respond.  Maybe someone will come along that knows the answer here. 

And I should say that the tubedac does not have weak bass, just that the modded Duet is exceptional in that area.

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Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #5 on: 1 Feb 2009, 10:28 pm »
Tyson,

The 3xac is not a regulated DC supply. It is simply an AC transformer in a box. It drops the 120 VAC from the wall to 12 volts AC.

Any diodes, caps and regulators will be on the TubeDAC board.

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Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #6 on: 2 Feb 2009, 05:28 pm »
Years ago I had a chance to hear Paradigm Studio 20s versus Active 20s (very similar design with the Studio 20s being passive).  There was no comparison.  The Actives had flat frequency response, were incredibly dynamic, and had unbelievably deep/full bass.  The $800/pair difference was easily made up for in savings from lack of amps/interconnects.  It was an audio epiphany and convinced me that active is the only high end way to go.  But the more perfect way is...

Single driver design = active speakers (but cheaper, simplier, purer)   8)

I'll admit that single drivers don't go as loud or as low or as wide; but for my taste my single driver speakers go low enough (below 30 Hz), loud enough (108 dB in my average sized room), and wide enough (I use a nearfield setup).  And it provides coherency (critical in nearfield applications) and the ideal point source for imaging.


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Re: The joys of Active Speakers
« Reply #7 on: 3 Feb 2009, 02:27 am »

But the more perfect way is...

Single driver design = active speakers (but cheaper, simplier, purer)   8)

I'll admit that single drivers don't go as loud or as low or as wide; but for my taste my single driver speakers go low enough (below 30 Hz), loud enough (108 dB in my average sized room), and wide enough (I use a nearfield setup).  And it provides coherency (critical in nearfield applications) and the ideal point source for imaging.


Every speaker has compromises ... including single-driver speakers (they just have different compromises).  So although it would be great to listen to music without XO-induced phase anomolies, IMO any driver that can deliver "below 30hz" cannot possibly do highs like my Maggie ribbons can.  :D  So I'll put up with the phase anomalies inherent in my 3-way Maggies ... and when I find a multi-way speaker which truly has no XO-induced phase anomalies - I'll buy that!  :thumb:

Regards,

Andy