[Crimson]

Is it just me? 

[konut]

No, its not just you. Business is business.

[lonewolfny42]

I agree with the JB and Run DMC, not sure on Metallica, and who is Little Anthony???

Brooklyn's own...Little Anthony & the Imperials......"Tears on My Pillow"...."Goin' Out of My Head".

[Danny Richie]

Metallica sure!

Jeff Beck, I guess so.

Run DMC? Are you kidding? Didn't they fall off the map a long time ago. The only note worthy thing they did was a deal with Aerosmith. They certainly aren't Rock and Roll.

Little Anthony? Wasn't that a doo wop group?

Yea,    me too.

[lonewolfny42]

Jeff Beck was already in....with the Yardbirds....few years ago. Now as a solo artist.

Little Anthony....doo wop - yes....but still early R & R...and R & B

[JerryM]

Jeff Beck was already in....with the Yardbirds....few years ago. Now as a solo artist.

Wow, how time flies... The Yardbirds were inducted in 1992. 

Jeff Beck absolutely deserves to be inducted, personally, as the unbelievable guitarist he really is. A genuine grandfather of fusion guitar, he has never tried to copy or otherwise imitate another type of sound. He has always been closely linked to the style of Frank Zappa, but never tried to 'noodle', or get into the groove that Frank was in. Terry Bozio understood the similarities, and the differences. As do many.

Congratulations to Jeff Beck. Much deserved, and a cool two-fer for a great rocker. I'm sure the other Yardbird guitarists, Mr. Clapton and Mr. Page, are pleased for him, as well.

As for Run DMC, hmmm... 

Have fun,
Jerry

[Folsom]

Time for Hip-Hop hall of fame?

Run-DMC may not be rock but their influence makes Jeff Beck, Metallica, and Little Anthony look like nothing, even combined.

[bunnyma357]

Time for Hip-Hop hall of fame?

Run-DMC may not be rock but their influence makes Jeff Beck, Metallica, and Little Anthony look like nothing, even combined.

+1

I'm a huge fan of Jeff Beck, but his post Yardbirds output is far less influential in the overall scheme of things. I think Hip-Hop is as much a part of Rock as Fusion, Metal, Punk, Funk, DooWop, Psychedelia, Folk or any other Sub-Genre. Run-DMC's impact has been huge, both musically and culturally and they've done a lot of great stuff, besides reviving Aerosmith's career.

I have no problem with any of the nominee's, as musical achievement would seem even harder to quantify than other HOF's - like sports. They've all created music I enjoy, even Little Anthony, though I only know a song or two.


Jim C

Jim C

[ted_b]

Yep!  This is MY hall (13 miles from my house) on the North Coast of Cleveland.  The Hall that:
* has induction ceremonies in another city
* inducted Rickie Nelson a year before The Beatles
* inducted rock legend Miles Davis in 2006, and Billie Holiday in 2000 (she for early influences?...why not Mozart)
* inducted Allen Touissant as a non-performer
* has yet to induct the Moody Blues, Yes, Genesis, Emerson Lake and Palmer, yadayada

The HOF and museum is a beautiful artifact in Cleveland's north coast, but is a joke when it comes to politics and sensibilities.

[Danny Richie]

Run-DMC may not be rock but their influence makes Jeff Beck, Metallica, and Little Anthony look like nothing, even combined.

Are you kidding? If they hadn't done the video with Aerosmith most people wouldn't even have heard about them.

10 years of going to audio shows and I have never, ever heard anyone play anything from Run DMC. I have not even heard them mentioned, ever. In fact 10 years of going to audio shows and I have never heard any rap music played at all. Isn't that what they did?

I don't even know of anyone that even owns any Run DMC music.

I don't even think I have ever heard them on any radio station in the last 10 or 15 years, and I listen to some type of rock and roll radio station every day. Yet, someone is going to put them in the rock and roll hall of fame?

[drab]

A few thoughts:

I think that Aerosmith benefitted as much or more from that collaboration. They were nowhere at the time IIRC.

There is precedence for rap being included; Grandmaster Flash

Get used to it, there is a long list of rappers coming that will be inducted; NWA, LL Cool J...

If your gonna induct 80's genre, where is Devo, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Scorpians...

Rush anyone? Journey?

[nathanm]

I have one Run DMC album, "Raising Hell", which set me back a whole dollar from back when there was a used record store in town.  But since Danny and I don't actually know each other his statement could still be true, unless it would be changed to "know of anyone".  But mainly I'm trying to figure out why Metallica is rock but Aerosmith isn't.

[bunnyma357]

Run-DMC may not be rock but their influence makes Jeff Beck, Metallica, and Little Anthony look like nothing, even combined.

Are you kidding? If they hadn't done the video with Aerosmith most people wouldn't even have heard about them.

10 years of going to audio shows and I have never, ever heard anyone play anything from Run DMC. I have not even heard them mentioned, ever. In fact 10 years of going to audio shows and I have never heard any rap music played at all. Isn't that what they did?

I don't even know of anyone that even owns any Run DMC music.

I don't even think I have ever heard them on any radio station in the last 10 or 15 years, and I listen to some type of rock and roll radio station every day. Yet, someone is going to put them in the rock and roll hall of fame?

He's not kidding, without Run-DMC and songs like Tricky, It's Like That, King of Rock, and many others you don't have the last 25 years of Rock/Rap. I'd guess you don't even have broadening of AOR radio to get Metalica a wide-spread audience - you've got the Eagles for eternity. I've heard more crap music at RMAF than I care to think about - I recall people getting scolded when I asked for A Perfect Circle and they played it for me - "Audio" and Rock and Roll probably merge in the creation of the gear, when you're trying to sell it - it's Edith Piaf and Norah Jones for 70 year old rich guys.

Like I said, I'm a huge Jeff Beck fan, but Run-DMC is the most deserving of the listed artists.

And if this is Danny Ritchie, I've spoken to you briefly at RMAF (to say how much I loved your work), and I own and listen to Run-DMC on my Strata Minis. So, while I didn't bring it up - your crossovers are great with Run-DMC.

(Note: Song titles are probably wrong, since I generally know them by the chorus, rather than the title)

Jim C

[orthobiz]

If the Yardbirds are in, Beck doesn't need an additional induction.
Therefore, all of the choices are marginal purely in my own opinion.

Paul

[orthobiz]

oh, and if we didn't have 25 yrs of rock/rap because run-dmc didn't exist...

well, what could be wrong with that?

paul

[Danny Richie]

I think that Aerosmith benefitted as much or more from that collaboration. They were nowhere at the time IIRC.

Aerosmith might not have been doing much at the time but they weren't a nobody like Run-DMC. Aerosmith had sold millions of albums.

There is precedence for rap being included; Grandmaster Flash

Get used to it, there is a long list of rappers coming that will be inducted; NWA, LL Cool J...

I have no issue with recognizing success, but those aren't rock bands and having them in a "Rock and Roll" hall of fame seems pretty odd. Let's face it, Run-DMC is about as rock and roll as Willie Nelson.

If your gonna induct 80's genre, where is Devo, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Scorpians...

Rush anyone? Journey?

Even those are really mixed. Scorpions, Rush, Journey, all huge rock bands. Devo, Depeche Mode? I don't think so. Pop groups, maybe, but they aren't rock and roll.

which set me back a whole dollar from back when there was a used record store in town.

I don't think I'd pay that much for it myself, but if you got your money's worth that's good for you.  Just kidding with you...

I own and listen to Run-DMC on my Strata Minis. So, while I didn't bring it up - your crossovers are great with Run-DMC.

Wow, okay, there's one.

oh, and if we didn't have 25 yrs of rock/rap because run-dmc didn't exist...

well, what could be wrong with that?

Exactly... 

[Bob Wilcox]

If the Yardbirds are in, Beck doesn't need an additional induction.
Therefore, all of the choices are marginal purely in my own opinion.

Paul

Unless you think Beck is as influential a guitar player as Clapton who is already in there twice...

[drab]

I have no issue with recognizing success, but those aren't rock bands and having them in a "Rock and Roll" hall of fame seems pretty odd. Let's face it, Run-DMC is about as rock and roll as Willie Nelson.

Although the name is Rock and Roll HOF I don't think the intent was to be exclusive. Popular Music From The Second Half
Of The Twentieth Century HOF is probably a better name but maybe a bit long.

Aerosmith might not have been doing much at the time but they weren't a nobody like Run-DMC. Aerosmith had sold millions of albums.

That was on Run DMC's third album, I don't know how many the first two sold but I'm guessing it was in the millions.

Even those are really mixed. Scorpions, Rush, Journey, all huge rock bands. Devo, Depeche Mode? I don't think so. Pop groups, maybe, but they aren't rock and roll.

They're all pop groups. They've all sold millions of records, that's pretty pop.

oh, and if we didn't have 25 yrs of rock/rap because run-dmc didn't exist...

well, what could be wrong with that?

That is funny, but I rather like the Chili Peppers, Rage Against the Machine and Korn.

Just think, we can have this same discussion in two years when the Beastie Boys get in.

[Danny Richie]

Some bands are enduring. They are good then, good now, popular then and now, selling albums way back then and still selling albums now.

However, some of those bands that were once popular were only popular with a small segment of the market and even though they sold lots of albums back then, they are way out of vogue now. Some are just flat out embarrassing.

I was just thinking, if I got in the car with a buddy and ejected his CD, what would be the most embarrassing thing to find in there? What would he most have to hear about, get laughed at about, and raked over the coals for the most?

My thoughts would first be some boy band like the New Kids on the Block, or the Back Street Boys. Almost as bad would be some Britney Spears or Pussy Cat Dolls... Just as bad though would be something from Michael Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Run-DMC (sorry), or the Beasty Boys.

I know some of those bands were the biggest of big in terms of record sales, but are embarrassing now.

And I guess since Run-DMC is one of those that would top my list, that makes it even tougher to think that anyone would want them in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They should rename that place. Rock and Roll really doesn't fit too many of them.

What tops the list for you guys as most embarrassing CD's to find your buddy listening to?

[nathanm]

What tops the list for you guys as most embarrassing CDs to find your buddy listening to?

I'll admit to listening to Flock Of Seagulls, and not ironically nor with guilty pleasure.  The thing is, take away the music video\goofy haircuts and most of the '80s cheese goes away. It's not bad stuff, really.  But it is probably worth a good guffaw to be seen listening to that.  Russian MP3s take away the financial guilt too!

Real embarrassment would probably occur with bands that have a very opposite demographic than the listener.  If a 50 year old guy is found genuinely listening to something normally embraced by teen girls that's probably pretty out there.