[TheChairGuy]

Exactly!

AG has the most traffic and greatest number of eyes on your gear.
Hence sales are easier.  Over the years, I've sold tons of gear on AG, and virtually none on AC and AA.

As I had mentioned earlier in this thread....8 of my last 10 items sold right here (for free) on AudioCircle.  It's all in the way you market it....something that just comes fairly naturally to me.

But, that's not the point I'm making tho....it's that it can be sold here on AC a fair amount of the time, it requires a different type of marketing to do it

I realize most have had the same selling results as you....but, as I have had different results, it's not necessarily the Marketplace at issue, it's the marketer of the product.

I am not disagreeing that selling on Audiogon is easier most of the time as there are more eyes trained on gear there, however.

I'm not trying to be snide or sneery (truly), I'm just trying to get folks to understand that sales are possible at AC....you must tend to your audience a bit more keenly here is all.  Trust me - if I can do - it takes no other worldly skill to do so.  Just common sense stuff and patience to put a marketing effort together.

Go look up/search my ads if you like and see how it was done.....looking, as well as the listing, is free 

EDIT: toobluvr - I looked at a few of your old for sale posts....while I didn't read them thru, the most glaring omission is that none of them had pics listed with the ad.  Make it easy for folks to look at your item....the likelihood of a sale on AG is exponentially better with pics shown there to

John

[toobluvr]

Exactly!

AG has the most traffic and greatest number of eyes on your gear.
Hence sales are easier.  Over the years, I've sold tons of gear on AG, and virtually none on AC and AA.

As I had mentioned earlier in this thread....8 of my last 10 items sold right here (for free) on AudioCircle.  It's all in the way you market it....something that just comes fairly naturally to me.

But, that's not the point I'm making tho....it's that it can be sold here on AC a fair amount of the time, it requires a different type of marketing to do it

I realize most have had the same selling results as you....but, as I have had different results, it's not necessarily the Marketplace at issue, it's the marketer of the product.

I am not disagreeing that selling on Audiogon is easier most of the time as there are more eyes trained on gear there, however.

I'm not trying to be snide or sneery (truly), I'm just trying to get folks to understand that sales are possible at AC....you must tend to your audience a bit more keenly here is all.  Trust me - if I can do - it takes no other worldly skill to do so.  Just common sense stuff and patience to put a marketing effort together.

Go look up/search my ads if you like and see how it was done.....looking, as well as the listing, is free 

EDIT: toobluvr - I looked at a few of your old for sale posts....while I didn't read them thru, the most glaring omission is that none of them had pics listed with the ad.  Make it easy for folks to look at your item....the likelihood of a sale on AG is exponentially better with pics shown there to

John

All good points, but I suspect that those that have really good success here are selling gear that has AC "darling" status at the time, or something that has been hyped by an influential or respected member.   My sense is that there is a bit of a follow-the-leader atmosphere here, and a somewhat narrow range of gear that is considered "cool" and "in favor" exists at any particular point in time.   While AG has a wider breadth of gear, and hobbiests that are interested in a wider array of gear.

And this is all fine.  I am not besmirching this site, just simply stating my own observations and personal experiences here. 

And you may be right about the lack of pics on my ads.
Earlier on I suspect I didn't have any since I probably did not know how to insert them.  But I always included a link to my AG ads, and they always had photos.  In the past year, I have included photos in my ads here.

[timind]

Exactly!

AG has the most traffic and greatest number of eyes on your gear.
Hence sales are easier.  Over the years, I've sold tons of gear on AG, and virtually none on AC and AA.

As I had mentioned earlier in this thread....8 of my last 10 items sold right here (for free) on AudioCircle.  It's all in the way you market it....something that just comes fairly naturally to me.

But, that's not the point I'm making tho....it's that it can be sold here on AC a fair amount of the time, it requires a different type of marketing to do it

I realize most have had the same selling results as you....but, as I have had different results, it's not necessarily the Marketplace at issue, it's the marketer of the product.

I am not disagreeing that selling on Audiogon is easier most of the time as there are more eyes trained on gear there, however.

I'm not trying to be snide or sneery (truly), I'm just trying to get folks to understand that sales are possible at AC....you must tend to your audience a bit more keenly here is all.  Trust me - if I can do - it takes no other worldly skill to do so.  Just common sense stuff and patience to put a marketing effort together.

Go look up/search my ads if you like and see how it was done.....looking, as well as the listing, is free 

EDIT: toobluvr - I looked at a few of your old for sale posts....while I didn't read them thru, the most glaring omission is that none of them had pics listed with the ad.  Make it easy for folks to look at your item....the likelihood of a sale on AG is exponentially better with pics shown there to

John

With all due respect, marketing shmarketing. I ran two ads (with pics) both here and Audioasylum for one week with no queries. I cut and paste my ads in to Audiogon and sold both items within 48 hours.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up here but there is something to be said for the opinion that there is a narrow range of equipment in favor here.
On another note, the number of ads on Audioasylum has increased significantly.

[TheChairGuy]

toobluvr
Nothing I've sold was 'darling' status at the time I sold it (I don't think)...but what is true that nothing was terribly esoteric, either.  Such specialist items as expensive LOMC phono cartridges, pricey XLR IC's, or elaborate (and expensive) speakers have a limited audience that begs for sale on Audiogon, where there are many more specialist eyes trained on them.

You just have to look at it all realistically and size up your prospective audience at AC.  It's by no means large like Audiogon's, and it requires different efforts to sell you item on it, but it's larger and more successful if you attune your pitch for the most likely positive result.


Tim/timind
In any one (daylight North America hour, as 90%+ here are American or Canadian) at AC, you might have 250 members and guests looking at the site (the stats are at the left side of the 'home' page for all to see).  Given the large numbers of contributions of members now I estimate a topic will last maybe 5 hours at best before sliding to the second page of the default.  Once you get down past the first page, you lose eyeball status and potential purchasers here.

You need to do something (it helps if it's at least moderately informative or funny) to keep your ad bumped forward the 1st page so that many prospective buyers will see it.  You also need to clearly title it, with a clear understanding of cost and short description so that folks specifically perusing the Marketplace section for product (I set up the Trading Post a couple years ago in 5 dinstinct categories much like Audiogon and Head-fi so that you didn't have to wade thru all the generalists ads to find your specific need) can find it fast.

Finally, you need pictures and patience, as said earlier, you know that not as many eyeballs are trained on AC as they are on Audiogon, but that's the give-and-take for saving $5 to sell it on Audiogon.  Not everyone feels the trade-off is worthwhile 

John

[satfrat]

AudioCircle is known 1st as an audio community and not a seller/buyer's market. That's Audiogon's niche. Folks expecting the same seller result's aren't be realistic at all. Besides what do you want from a free service. Audiogon charges for that extra exposer and AudioCircle is the place to come to complain about it.


Cheers,
Robin

[macrojack]

If you remove the 80% of Audio Circle members who are themselves manufacturers from the list of prospective buyers, it doesn't leave very much.

Then when you consider the clique influence and the innate frugality, you have to get pretty lucky to make a sale. I was lucky once.

[satfrat]

If you remove the 80% of Audio Circle members who are themselves manufacturers from the list of prospective buyers, it doesn't leave very much.

Then when you consider the clique influence and the innate frugality, you have to get pretty lucky to make a sale. I was lucky once.

80% of actual AC members?? That's not even close to being the truth. But if you meant 80% of those members who actually frequent Audiocircle on any given day, then you might have something there.


Cheers,
Robin

[macrojack]

I stand corrected.

Actually I just made up a number in order to get my point across. Thanks for reshaping it enough to provide credibility.

Anybody want a good deal on a brand new Grado plastic cartridge? I'm not sure at this point in time but I think I have all 4 of the colors available.

[TheChairGuy]

If you remove the 80% of Audio Circle members who are themselves manufacturers from the list of prospective buyers, it doesn't leave very much.

Then when you consider the clique influence and the innate frugality, you have to get pretty lucky to make a sale. I was lucky once.

Luck doesn't hold much water after 8 of my last 10 successful sales here.

macrojack, we've known each other a long time, so let me be frank....I've seen a couple of your ads, and except for one where you were trying to sell a $1000 low output moving coil to a crowd that might have a 25% penetration of any turntable on the house...they are lackluster. 

The LOMC ad was funny, but it was way too pricey and esoteric to be sold here.

You have to be realistic about your audience.

Grado just took a price increase across the Prestige line and turntables are selling as well as they have in a decade now.  Your supply of new-in-the-box Grado's will likely sell if you market them right here at AC.

John

[sts9fan]

This is why I use audiogon.
I posted my trends amp less then 30min ago and got an offer for MORE then my asking price.
I am not sure why someone would offer more but they did.
This confirms an Offer To Buy as follows:

Item:   Trends TA 10.1 upgraded caps: auricap and bg
Item no:        1231088214
Seller id:      Sts9fan
Asking:         $134.00 + Shipping Cost

Buyer id:       *******
Offering:       $140.00 + Shipping Cost
Pay via:        PayPal
Ship to:        94549

Submitted:      Wed, 11/05/08 12:27 pm edt
Expires:        Fri, 11/07/08 12:27 pm edt

PLUS for small items like this its cheaper then before! 

[sts9fan]

2 offers for or above asking in under 30min.  THIS is why people use audiogon. 

Item:   Trends TA 10.1 upgraded caps: auricap and bg
Item no:        1231088214
Seller id:      Sts9fan
Asking:         $134.00 + Shipping Cost

Buyer id:       ****
Offering:       $134.00 + Shipping Cost
Pay via:        PayPal
Ship to:        80302

Submitted:      Wed, 11/05/08 12:35 pm edt
Expires:        Fri, 11/07/08 12:35 pm edt

[satfrat]

2 offers for or above asking in under 30min.  THIS is why people use audiogon. 

Item:   Trends TA 10.1 upgraded caps: auricap and bg
Item no:        1231088214
Seller id:      Sts9fan
Asking:         $134.00 + Shipping Cost

Buyer id:       ****
Offering:       $134.00 + Shipping Cost
Pay via:        PayPal
Ship to:        80302

Submitted:      Wed, 11/05/08 12:35 pm edt
Expires:        Fri, 11/07/08 12:35 pm edt

Since when did Audio Central Circle become Audiogon or AC's own Trading Post Circle ????

[sts9fan]

Not much on gettin points huh?

[Don_S]

Is there a rating system for buyers and sellers on AC?  I sold two items previously on AC and thought I remembered leaving and receiving feedback. Now I can't find anything.   Or was that a not quite parallel universe?

[JP78]

honestly i don't mind the price increases, as it's still less expensive than ebay for large ticket items.

however, i refuse to use audiogon for the censorship in deleting postings as well as removing questionable feedback.  in my opinion, this is far more damaging to all of us than a few dollars.

[vman71]

I would disagree that Audiogon is cheaper for large ticket items.  I just sold an item on ebay for $660 and it cost me $1.25.  To sell that same item on Audiogon would be more that $1.25

[Cacophonix]

Vman71, thats probably just your listing fees. They'll send you a statement later on ...

[vman71]

Dang    You're right!  It cost me $25.  Well, at least I was successful at avoiding Audiogon.   

[MaxCast]

however, i refuse to use audiogon for the censorship in deleting postings as well as removing questionable feedback.  in my opinion, this is far more damaging to all of us than a few dollars.

Now that's saying something.

[timind]

Not much on gettin points huh?
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