In case you want to know something about speaker cables

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jeffreybehr

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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #1 on: 26 Oct 2008, 04:38 pm »
1980, huh?

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« Reply #2 on: 26 Oct 2008, 05:53 pm »
As I have said before, tying an excessive capacitive load across the output of an amplifier is a bad thing to do.  In a worse case situation, such as with the Polk Cobra cables and Threshold amplifier, the result is full bore oscillation. The fuzzy scope photos in the link above were hard to examine, however it looked like whatever amplifier was being used, it was behaving pretty badly with all combination of tests.

Anyway, for me, its back to the 14 gauge zip cord from Home Depot at 25 cents per foot, terminated in banana plugs.

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Frank Van Alstine

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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #3 on: 26 Oct 2008, 06:17 pm »
WBT $66(each) bananas?

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« Reply #4 on: 26 Oct 2008, 06:32 pm »
As I have said before, tying an excessive capacitive load across the output of an amplifier is a bad thing to do.  In a worse case situation, such as with the Polk Cobra cables and Threshold amplifier, the result is full bore oscillation. The fuzzy scope photos in the link above were hard to examine, however it looked like whatever amplifier was being used, it was behaving pretty badly with all combination of tests.

Anyway, for me, its back to the 14 gauge zip cord from Home Depot at 25 cents per foot, terminated in banana plugs.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

Frank,
You're really spending too much on that zip cord!
Go to Lowe's and get their Utilitec 16 gauge extension cord @$8.44 for 40 feet. Having used the Utilitec cables (with genuine gold plated spade connectors) myself, I'd never go back to Mobambo Ultra-Hydrogenated Supradelineators!
(OTOH, I'd never go towards them either)

Come to think of it, isn't this what you were saying when you visited the Pacific Northwest Audio Society back in...1982? The demo you gave at the time was absolutely fantastic and evidently has influenced more than a few of us over the years.

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TerryO

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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #5 on: 26 Oct 2008, 06:57 pm »
You're really spending too much on that zip cord!
Go to Lowe's and get their Utilitec 16 gauge extension cord @$8.44 for 40 feet.
Works for me.  aa
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Zheeeem

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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #6 on: 27 Oct 2008, 02:36 am »
As sensible today as it was then.

FWIW, I still am using Fulton Gold in my HT.  It was my one foray into boutique cables.  Every bit as good as zip cord and has held up well for 30 years.

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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #7 on: 27 Oct 2008, 04:47 am »
As sensible today as it was then.

FWIW, I still am using Fulton Gold in my HT.  It was my one foray into boutique cables.  Every bit as good as zip cord and has held up well for 30 years.

I hope that you also decided to use them with the Fulton J Modular speakers. I heard 2 different pairs of them and thought they sounded spectacular. I wonder how they would stack up today?

The Fulton Brown could also be used for pulling stumps, while the Golds let you tow Ocean Liners :green:

Bob Fulton, like Paul Klipsch, was one of the great characters in the audio world. Gone, but not forgotten, may they rest in peace.

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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #8 on: 27 Oct 2008, 04:22 pm »
1980, huh?

   Physics hasn't changed over time! 

   Note that the article effectively disproves the advantages of "magic cable" even though it claims otherwise. The figure of merit used was the impedance of the cable. 24 gauge zip wire was the highest, and therefore, the "worst". But if you look at the best, in the conditions of the test, the allegedly best wire was actually the worst in terms of frequency response - by far. And that some of the audio salon cable was virtually indistinguishable from 18 gauge zip cord - and that was the best! Turn you amp up a 1/16 of a Noble step and you go from 18 gauge zip cord to Audio Source "Ultra High Definition" cable. It's a lot cheaper to slightly breath on the volume control than it is to replace 5c/foot cable with $6 a foot cable.

      My audio buddies and I did very similar tests in the 84-85 era with very similar results. In some cases there were new, "better" salon cables available with even "superior" magical effects. Magical indeed, makes these high-frequency rolloff start at 500 Hz, and then jump all over the place afterwards. The worst cable we found, by far, was some ridiculous stuff that was woven like Chinese finger handcuffs and was supposedly intended to take advantage of the "skin effect" according to the people at the hi-fi shop. We all figured, "oh, this stuff is crap, and these guys will go out of business".


    Imagine my surprise, in 2006, to find that not only were they still in business, they were still selling the original item, and  similar cables with as many as 16 conductors going in each direction. And that the manufacturer was now a highly respected member of the "high-end audio cable" community. Selling cable with even worse characteristics for $600+ per foot. Now THAT's what I call magic!   Oy Vey...


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Re: In case you want to know something about speaker cables
« Reply #9 on: 27 Oct 2008, 04:53 pm »

I hope that you also decided to use them with the Fulton J Modular speakers. I heard 2 different pairs of them and thought they sounded spectacular. I wonder how they would stack up today?


Nope.  Some Tympani 1(U)s.

Yah.  The Fulton J was great in its day.

I really do miss some of the eccentric audio personalities of yore.