New Decware towers released!

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nathanm

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« Reply #20 on: 14 Nov 2003, 07:15 pm »
I'd have to give props to Decware too.  Gotta love little mom and pop businesses who work out of their garages.  Just today I finally got my pair of Steve's experimental semi-omnidirectional RL2 speakers.  I like the fact that they come up with interesting designs that don't cost a fortune.  Of course, interesting designs that don't cost a fortune have sometimes turned out sounding like shit for me in the past, so we'll see... :P

If I had the room I would consider building the Imperial cabinets.  Now THAT'S a man's speaker! *grunt grunt* :thumb:

Brad

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« Reply #21 on: 14 Nov 2003, 07:58 pm »
Actually, I'm not a current Decware customer.  There is another Brad Baker (who has posted on Discord, here, and on the Decware site) who JLM is referring to, I think.

He's in SoCal - I'm in Tx.

Peace.

jackman

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« Reply #22 on: 14 Nov 2003, 08:22 pm »
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I'd have to give props to Decware too. Gotta love little mom and pop businesses who work out of their garages. Just today I finally got my pair of Steve's experimental semi-omnidirectional RL2 speakers. I like the fact that they come up with interesting designs that don't cost a fortune. Of course, interesting designs that don't cost a fortune have sometimes turned out sounding like shit for me in the past, so we'll see...  

If I had the room I would consider building the Imperial cabinets. Now THAT'S a man's speaker! *grunt grunt*  


Gotta take my hat off to NathanM.  He's a guy who is not afraid to try different designs and always gives an opinion!  Did you buy these speakers or are they a demo pair?  I look forward to hearing about how they perform on death metal!  

Also, what intereting speakers have you owned that sound like shit???  Nevermind!

J

nathanm

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« Reply #23 on: 14 Nov 2003, 11:19 pm »
I bought them new.  They've just been playing a few tunes so far.  Decware admits they will sound pretty shitty from the get go (though they didn't use those extact words) but so far I definitely don't hate them!  It's got this inverted cone which looks like a piece of tar-covered construction paper and a ribbon tweeter hoisted up over it.  Extremely stiff suspension.  It's got a passive radiator on the bottom where you can tweak the damping  with different resistors.  It looks like a giant wooden microphone, which kinda makes sense in a way...

Interesting speakers that sounded like shit?  Why you must be referring to the N*r* P*r*m*d* - a 450 dollar oversized set of paper weights.  I never did get an e-mail back from the guy who bought my pair.  I was half expecting him to show up at my door with some hired goons to beat the shit out of me.  I was ready to join the witness protection program after unloading those lemons!  Who knows, maybe he was upgrading from earbud headphones and really liked them. :P

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« Reply #24 on: 14 Nov 2003, 11:20 pm »
Sorry for the case of mistaken identity Brad (I think I've done that to you here before too).   :oops:


Here's the best explaination I've seen for transmission lines:

http://geocities.com/rbrines1/

Bob Brines hand builds floormounted speakers from the deck of his Memphis apartment and out of the trunk of his car, so he does bunches of design on paper before "making sawdust".  

I've owned a pair of transmission line bass units that I built from a kit which used 8 inch drivers.  They were magnificant instruments, but alas were too much for any size of room I could afford.  So yes, they make great subs.  In fact the cabinet design of the speakers I'm using now look a lot like the FT1600.  Bob explains that they even out the impedence hump of typical designs and they extend bass.  But even he would admit that an infinite baffle is the best design for deep bass.  

Here's a forum dedicated to infinite baffles:  

http://f20.parsimony.net/forum36475/

Until you've heard it, you probably can't believe how over rated the top and bottom octaves are or how coherent (right) a single driver speaker can sound.  No crossover to drain power or add phasing errors.  And single driver speakers are the orginal "active" speaker with all the advantages of the amp "seeing" the imposed load better.  Single drivers provide the theoretically perfect point source for ideal imaging/soundstaging.  Its a throwback to days past where recordings didn't go much past 80 - 8,000 Hz and amps were limited to a few watts (so you didn't waste power on deep bass).  Just another very interesting and fun aspect of this hobby.  And it's counter to most of the marketing hype out that says you spend tons of money on 3 or more drivers with crossovers and bigger amps.

Check out Omega Speakers and Solar Audio here at audiocircle (more single driver speakers).  Omega, like the new Decware speaker, uses Fostex drivers that are reasonably priced paper cones.  Solar, like Konus Audio or Carolina Audio, uses a remarkable 4 inch diameter E. J. Jordan 92S aluminum foil driver in transmission line cabinets.

Lowther's were the original full/extended range drivers.  They are faster than ribbons or electrostatics and have been around for 70+ years.  Supervox, AEC, and PHY are other high quality European brands of extended range drivers.  All these are quite expensive, but are very efficient (95 - 105 dB/w/m).  

The biggest challenge with full/extended range drivers typically is getting sufficient bass output, hence the use of open/infinite baffles, transmission lines, and front/rear horn cabinet designs.

beat

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« Reply #25 on: 15 Nov 2003, 05:07 pm »
thanks JLM,
for the help understanding transmission lines. There is obviously a lot to this and just when I think I have a grasp of speaker designs I encounter something new to me like TLs. I'm going to have to spend some time mulling over Bob's speaker site. I really like the idea of this design but there is nobody in town who carries anything like this to listen to.

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« Reply #26 on: 15 Nov 2003, 05:15 pm »
Most any Fostex driver will sound similar and any good TL will provide rich, full, extended bass.

The good thing about Bob's designs is that they aren't expensive.  For $300 ($150 for his kit & about $150 for drivers/glue/stain/sandpaper) you can glue up, sand, stand, and mount drivers to have what I'm sure would be very coherent, musical, detailed, and efficient speakers.

Madisound sells Fostex drivers:  madisound.com