Ripping gurus......help me

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Ripping gurus......help me
« on: 8 Sep 2008, 08:26 pm »
I ripped a good number of disks with and into  itunes 7.7.  The resulting SQ is disappointing.

I'm very tempted in shipping my CDs to Tirade asking him rip everything with EAC into FLAC.  Apparently, I can't use itunes after EAC/FLAC.

However, I really like the itunes interface/functionality and I like "borrowing" my daughter's itouch as a remote (it's 100% awesome) but it only works with Apple stuff/itunes as far as I can tell.

So advise me should I consider dbpoweramp or media monkey or EAC into FLAC or did I do something goofy with itunes?. BTW-dbpoweramp seems to indicate that it can rip cds into FLAC to be replayed through itunes (I'm not really confident that this can be done at all or that it would sound good if possible).

As you can tell my computer skills are marginal.
Help!

mattyturner

Re: Ripping gurus......help me
« Reply #1 on: 8 Sep 2008, 08:30 pm »

richidoo

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« Reply #2 on: 8 Sep 2008, 08:50 pm »
To what format did you rip using iTunes?  iTunes is no better than any other consumer ripper, which skips errors for sake of speed. Further compressing the rip to 128k mp3 or whatever consumer quality compression algorithm can make things sound bad, depending on your system transparency and hearing ability, and sensitivity to compression artifacts. If you didn't change the default settings on iTunes, you probably used 128kbps compression. But that's OK because it is "CD quality."  :roll:  Maybe iTunes compression settings can be set to lossless? I don't know, but plenty of peeps on AC know...

For hifi listening you need lossless, like flac, wav, or Apple's own lossless codec. You can rip to Apple lossless to play lossless files in iTunes or iPods.  Technically as good as flac. More universal than flac if you consider iPods rule the world. Less universal if you are not an iPod head.  You can use dbpoweramp to rip to Apple Lossless.  You can also use dbpoweramp converter to change your flacs to apple lossless fairly painlessly.  Another consideration is rip to flac and use a Logitech Duet or Sonos wifi remote to access music collection. But your daughter may not already own sonos or duet ;)  hehe

I don't know what remote options there are to control foobar or other media players but that's something to look into. Most foobar users enjoy the interface, easier than most other control scenarios, but it's not handheld.
Rich

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« Reply #3 on: 8 Sep 2008, 09:19 pm »
To what format did you rip using iTunes?  iTunes is no better than any other consumer ripper, which skips errors for sake of speed. Further compressing the rip to 128k mp3 or whatever consumer quality compression algorithm can make things sound bad, depending on your system transparency and hearing ability, and sensitivity to compression artifacts. If you didn't change the default settings on iTunes, you probably used 128kbps compression. But that's OK because it is "CD quality."  :roll:  Maybe iTunes compression settings can be set to lossless? I don't know, but plenty of peeps on AC know...

For hifi listening you need lossless, like flac, wav, or Apple's own lossless codec. You can rip to Apple lossless to play lossless files in iTunes or iPods.  Technically as good as flac. More universal than flac if you consider iPods rule the world. Less universal if you are not an iPod head.  You can use dbpoweramp to rip to Apple Lossless.  You can also use dbpoweramp converter to change your flacs to apple lossless fairly painlessly.  Another consideration is rip to flac and use a Logitech Duet or Sonos wifi remote to access music collection. But your daughter may not already own sonos or duet ;)  hehe

I don't know what remote options there are to control foobar or other media players but that's something to look into. Most foobar users enjoy the interface, easier than most other control scenarios, but it's not handheld.
Rich

I ripped with itunes 7.7 using AIFF (lossless) with error correction enabled.  CD's still ripped at 7.5 to 12.5x - seemed WAY too fast.

Frankly, my Musical Fidelity XDAC-V8's USB input may be part of the issue.  Identical music played through my CDP/DAC sounds a lot better than through itunes and the DAC's USB input.

ETA - When Ferrari delivered my daughter's new car they gave her an itouch.









Just kidding she saved baby sitting money for a long while in order to buy the itouch.

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« Reply #4 on: 8 Sep 2008, 09:28 pm »
Did you check these options in the preferences:

http://www.usbdacs.com/Macintosh/Macintosh.html
http://www.usbdacs.com/Windows/Windows.html

-Matt

I'm using Vista and will check the settings tonight.

Thanks.

richidoo

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« Reply #5 on: 8 Sep 2008, 09:58 pm »
The fastest rip possible is to AIFF or WAV, which requires no compression (math processing) just file storage. On the latest computers compression seems to be faster than ripping only because the CD drive is much slower than the processors these days. On my 2GHz P4 'puter they are about the same speed. dbpoweramp (ripper) can multitask ripping and compressing at once, even on a single core processor. The newest version is even faster, and faster still on dual core. Slick!

Try comparing USB versus SPDIF into the DAC, if your PC or any network media streaming appliance has a digital coaxial output. The DAC's USB port is usb1.1, make sure that is compatible with your computer, should be. Maybe ask MF or your dealer "wtf?"  They might have some advice particular to the xDAC.

http://www.musicalfidelity.com/products/xseries/xdacv8_specs.html

Crimson

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« Reply #6 on: 8 Sep 2008, 10:04 pm »
To what format did you rip using iTunes?  iTunes is no better than any other consumer ripper, which skips errors for sake of speed. Further compressing the rip to 128k mp3 or whatever consumer quality compression algorithm can make things sound bad, depending on your system transparency and hearing ability, and sensitivity to compression artifacts. If you didn't change the default settings on iTunes, you probably used 128kbps compression. But that's OK because it is "CD quality."  :roll:  Maybe iTunes compression settings can be set to lossless? I don't know, but plenty of peeps on AC know...

For hifi listening you need lossless, like flac, wav, or Apple's own lossless codec. You can rip to Apple lossless to play lossless files in iTunes or iPods.  Technically as good as flac. More universal than flac if you consider iPods rule the world. Less universal if you are not an iPod head.  You can use dbpoweramp to rip to Apple Lossless.  You can also use dbpoweramp converter to change your flacs to apple lossless fairly painlessly.  Another consideration is rip to flac and use a Logitech Duet or Sonos wifi remote to access music collection. But your daughter may not already own sonos or duet ;)  hehe

I don't know what remote options there are to control foobar or other media players but that's something to look into. Most foobar users enjoy the interface, easier than most other control scenarios, but it's not handheld.
Rich

I ripped with itunes 7.7 using AIFF (lossless) with error correction enabled.  CD's still ripped at 7.5 to 12.5x - seemed WAY too fast.

Frankly, my Musical Fidelity XDAC-V8's USB input may be part of the issue.  Identical music played through my CDP/DAC sounds a lot better than through itunes and the DAC's USB input.

ETA - When Ferrari delivered my daughter's new car they gave her an itouch.









Just kidding she saved baby sitting money for a long while in order to buy the itouch.


Have you tried ripping the same tracks using a different ripper? I'd rip some tracks to wav in both iTunes and something else (maybe EAC or WM) and then see whether the issue lies with iTunes or your dac. Does the MF's USB input convert to SPDIF or I2S?


low.pfile

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« Reply #7 on: 8 Sep 2008, 10:16 pm »
EDS_
I'll go for the obvious just in case it was overlooked.

In iTunes Preferences >Playback tab, make sure that....

CrossFade Playback: Unchecked
Sound Enhancer: Unchecked
Sound Check: Unchecked


I am not a PC guy but check to make sure you don't have any thing changing USB output to a different bitrate. Where ever that would be on a PC


ed

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« Reply #8 on: 9 Sep 2008, 01:45 am »
EDS_
I'll go for the obvious just in case it was overlooked.

In iTunes Preferences >Playback tab, make sure that....

CrossFade Playback: Unchecked
Sound Enhancer: Unchecked
Sound Check: Unchecked


I am not a PC guy but check to make sure you don't have any thing changing USB output to a different bitrate. Where ever that would be on a PC


ed
Crossfade, Sound Enhancer and Sound Check are each unchecked.

I'm trying to verify that USB is 16, 44.1 but can't seem to confirm - yet.

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« Reply #9 on: 9 Sep 2008, 02:09 am »
To what format did you rip using iTunes?  iTunes is no better than any other consumer ripper, which skips errors for sake of speed. Further compressing the rip to 128k mp3 or whatever consumer quality compression algorithm can make things sound bad, depending on your system transparency and hearing ability, and sensitivity to compression artifacts. If you didn't change the default settings on iTunes, you probably used 128kbps compression. But that's OK because it is "CD quality."  :roll:  Maybe iTunes compression settings can be set to lossless? I don't know, but plenty of peeps on AC know...

For hifi listening you need lossless, like flac, wav, or Apple's own lossless codec. You can rip to Apple lossless to play lossless files in iTunes or iPods.  Technically as good as flac. More universal than flac if you consider iPods rule the world. Less universal if you are not an iPod head.  You can use dbpoweramp to rip to Apple Lossless.  You can also use dbpoweramp converter to change your flacs to apple lossless fairly painlessly.  Another consideration is rip to flac and use a Logitech Duet or Sonos wifi remote to access music collection. But your daughter may not already own sonos or duet ;)  hehe

I don't know what remote options there are to control foobar or other media players but that's something to look into. Most foobar users enjoy the interface, easier than most other control scenarios, but it's not handheld.
Rich

I ripped with itunes 7.7 using AIFF (lossless) with error correction enabled.  CD's still ripped at 7.5 to 12.5x - seemed WAY too fast.

Frankly, my Musical Fidelity XDAC-V8's USB input may be part of the issue.  Identical music played through my CDP/DAC sounds a lot better than through itunes and the DAC's USB input.

ETA - When Ferrari delivered my daughter's new car they gave her an itouch.









Just kidding she saved baby sitting money for a long while in order to buy the itouch.


Have you tried ripping the same tracks using a different ripper? I'd rip some tracks to wav in both iTunes and something else (maybe EAC or WM) and then see whether the issue lies with iTunes or your dac. Does the MF's USB input convert to SPDIF or I2S?



1.  I plan to rip some tracks to wav through iTunes and EAC tomorrow - maybe later tonight.
2.  Sadly I do not know and the manual is silent as to whether the XDAC's USB converts to SPDIF or I2S.  I just don't know.

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« Reply #10 on: 9 Sep 2008, 08:32 pm »
[url]http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/wiki/index.php/ITunes-QuickTime_for_Windows_-_Setup_Guide/url]

As Benchmark suggested at  QuickTime->Edit->Preferences->QuickTime Preferences->Audio->Sound Out  I set the word length to 24 bits and the sample rate to 96 kHz and the few other things BM indicated.

So far the results have been great.  BTW-I'm running Vista.