Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth

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Hi Guys need some help, has anyone here experienced the Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth?

If you have please let me know if it’s as good as they make it out to be, I’m thinking of getting one as I have problem with weak FM signal in my area.

Thanks

Chris

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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #1 on: 23 Aug 2008, 09:30 pm »
You might consider a big FM antenna from Radio Shack or Magnum Dynalab. The Signal Sleuth will need all of the signal it can get before you apply gain in order to preserve a good signal to noise ratio. Even the most sensitive FM tuner in the world will work poorly if at all without a good antenna.  Here are some
links to some useful info and Magnum Dynalabs' FM antenna page. Link to FM antenna tutorial  http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/antenna.html 
http://www.magnumdynalab.com/fmantenna-md10.htm
http://www.magnumdynalab.com/fmantennaoverview.htm
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« Reply #2 on: 24 Aug 2008, 12:03 am »
i have owned one, & i presently own m-d's earlier wersion, which looks different, but is about the same inside.  i would not bother, for trying to get a stronger signal.  myself, & many others on the yahoo fmtuna forum, have found it to be pretty-much useless for trying to turn a weak signal into a stronger one.  the problem is, that the weak signal you are amplifying will be inherently noisy, & you cannot amplify the signal w/o amplifying the noise.  the only time something like this may be of use is in strong crowded-signal situations - this may help you get a relatively-weaker station that is adjacent to a stronger station, as the signal sleuth is tunable - you have to tune it to the station just like the tuna itself.

a better antenna, as mentioned above, is the best bet.  if you can install a roof-mount directional yagi, that is the best.  you will need a rotator if your stations are in different directions.  for the money, it is hard to beat the winegard hd6065; you can splurge & get the aps9a or aps13.  (which is what the m-d md10 is - check to see which is the better price.)  i would do a google search for the best price.  a cheap antennacraft fm-6 will still be way better than any indoor antenna.  stay away from the m-d indoor antennae - completely worthless, in the wast majority of set-ups.  you will do far better w/a $5 dipole, or a rabbit-ears tv antenna.  (be sure to disengage the fm trap that some tv antennae have built-in to them!) 

another interesting antenna may be the crane fm reflect antenna.  it looks like a dipole, it supposedly has <200% stronger signal than the cheap dipole.  i have never tried one, but at $30 i am thinking about it - a radio station engineer out of chicago has recommended it over on the yahoo fmtuna forum...  and, it is a 75 ohm antenna, w/coax connector, which may be an easier connection w/tunas that have the f-connector for antenna.  if your tuna has the twin-lead 300 ohm connector, it comes w/an adapter...

doug s.

ps - i would also stay away from the m-d tunas - there are literally dozens of wintage tunas that will see off even the spendy m-d offerings.  if you must spend big bucks for a new tuna, check out the accuphase t-1000.  (still half the price of the top m-d, tho.)  or, for a bit less, the roksan caspian.  or the marantz st-17 for even less...

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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #3 on: 24 Aug 2008, 10:28 am »

Hi guys thanks for your input. I will certainly look into getting a better FM Arial on the roof. I may still look at the Signal Sleuth if I can get one at a good price, I don’t want to pay over the top after what you just said.

I have the Ion FMT 1 tuner which I will be sticking too.

I will have a look at the forum you are talking about, do you have the link to it?

Thanks again for your input guys

Chris

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« Reply #4 on: 24 Aug 2008, 03:26 pm »

Hi guys thanks for your input. I will certainly look into getting a better FM Arial on the roof. I may still look at the Signal Sleuth if I can get one at a good price, I don’t want to pay over the top after what you just said.

I have the Ion FMT 1 tuner which I will be sticking too.

I will have a look at the forum you are talking about, do you have the link to it?

Thanks again for your input guys

Chris

the only reason i got a second sleuth, after i sold my first one, is cuz i got it for ~$30.  pay any more, & it's not worth it, imo, unless you have difficult overcrowded station reception, as i prewiously mentioned; but if you pay <$200, you can usually sell it w/o losing money, if you wanna try it for yourself...

links:
http://fmtunerinfo.com/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/FMtuners/

that fmt ion tuna is supposed to sweet - wery rare, i have never had the opportunity to try it...

doug s.

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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #5 on: 24 Aug 2008, 04:49 pm »
Hi doug s thanks for the links.

I will try and get one for as low a price as I can. Saw one on Hi-fi For Sale www.adverts.hififorsale.com/results.asp?dbfield=All&dbsearch=Magnum+&Submit=Search at £375 or $694 which I thought was a bit over priced. On Magnums site it’s about $400, which is about £200 for a new one. Like you said unless I can get one for less then £100, which is $200 or less I will not buy one.

The Ion FMT 1 is an amazing tuner, I have heard it sounding brilliant when feed with good signal from a decent station. I use to have it sounding good but since I moved house I have not been able to get a decent signal.

Thanks

Chris

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« Reply #6 on: 24 Aug 2008, 09:42 pm »
A roof top antenna if at all possible will work best. If you need to pull in stations a roof top will work best and they are cheaper than the sleuth. Go do research at fmtunerinfo.com or on the FM tuner discussion group at Yahoo.  If you want the best advice you can get on planet earth the Yahoo forum is a good bet.

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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #7 on: 25 Aug 2008, 01:58 am »
Perhaps it's worth spending $50 for a Sony HD XDR-F1HD.

The other day I fired up my newly purchased Sony HD XDR-F1HD for the first time, plugging in the provided dipole antenna without even unfolding it, and I my initial reaction was HOLY SH*T, this thing can pull stations out of thin air. The auto scan was locking into stations I did not even know existed.

The sound definitely lacked the ultimate in air, even on analog stations but either this thing really is amazing or my Onkyo T-9 really sucks at finding anything but super strong stations.


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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #8 on: 25 Aug 2008, 10:57 pm »
Perhaps it's worth spending $50 for a Sony HD XDR-F1HD.

The other day I fired up my newly purchased Sony HD XDR-F1HD for the first time, plugging in the provided dipole antenna without even unfolding it, and I my initial reaction was HOLY SH*T, this thing can pull stations out of thin air. The auto scan was locking into stations I did not even know existed.

The sound definitely lacked the ultimate in air, even on analog stations but either this thing really is amazing or my Onkyo T-9 really sucks at finding anything but super strong stations.


i haven't ever tried an onkyo t-9, but i have bought & sold over 100 tunas in the past several years, and i can tell you that the $100 sony hd-f1, ($50 final cost if you take adwantage of the present $50 rebate that is still being offered by hd), is a dx tuna extraordinaire.  while its ultimate fidelity is not up there w/the best analog tunas, it will get closer if you run it thru a tube buffer stage...   8)

doug s.

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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #9 on: 25 Aug 2008, 11:10 pm »
First off, Channel Master makes the best frickin antennas in the world. I have one of their biggest ones for home use (about 7 feet long). It takes care of all of my reception needs in this deep fringe area. Next I would say if you need a Signal Sleuth, your FM tuna sucks. I just picked up a Onkyo T-4555 tuna with HD radio, AM/FM/XM/Sirius and the HD is fantastic, I don't know about the Sony, but the Onkyo looks like a quality tuner, sounds like  one and has all of the options one would ever want (including future ventures). There is my 2 cents worth.

Wayner

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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #10 on: 26 Aug 2008, 08:09 pm »

Like you've all said, I’ve decided to get a good outside aerial but I’m now struggling to find good makes.

I leave in the UK and we use to Have Ron Smith but he has now stopped doing aerials.
 
Can I get a good one for about £100 about $200? Can any of you guys please recommend good makes and maybe links if you have them?

Thanks

Chris

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« Reply #11 on: 26 Aug 2008, 08:51 pm »

Like you've all said, I’ve decided to get a good outside aerial but I’m now struggling to find good makes.

I leave in the UK and we use to Have Ron Smith but he has now stopped doing aerials.
 
Can I get a good one for about £100 about $200? Can any of you guys please recommend good makes and maybe links if you have them?

Thanks

Chris

try stark electronics & see if they will ship overseas.

http://www.starkelectronic.com/ac.htm#fm

also, google winegard 6065 & 6055 & see if you can find a wendor that will ship.  these are roughly comparable to the aps-9b...

doug s.

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« Reply #12 on: 26 Aug 2008, 09:16 pm »
Doug s thanks for your quick response. With some of these aerials I take it, it’s best to get one mounted on a motor so I can rotate it if the price is not too high. 
Will it work just fine to point it at me favourite station and still pickup nearby station fairly well?

Thanks

Chris

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« Reply #13 on: 26 Aug 2008, 09:31 pm »
Doug s thanks for your quick response. With some of these aerials I take it, it’s best to get one mounted on a motor so I can rotate it if the price is not too high. 
Will it work just fine to point it at me favourite station and still pickup nearby station fairly well?

Thanks

Chris

if your other "nearby stations" are in the same general direction as your fave, you may be ok, depending on their broadcast strength.  otherwise, not - these antennas are pretty directional.  you will yust have to try & see - a rotator might also be needed...

doug s.

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« Reply #14 on: 26 Aug 2008, 09:45 pm »
Thanks again doug s.

Just been looking at your gallery, you have quite few tuners which in your opinion is your best?

Thanks

Chris

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« Reply #15 on: 27 Aug 2008, 02:11 pm »
Thanks again doug s.

Just been looking at your gallery, you have quite few tuners which in your opinion is your best?

Thanks

Chris

first, let me clarify - i don't still own all tunas in the gallery pics.  but, i do admit i own more than my share, & a lot of them are not in the gallery...   :lol:

as far as which is best, i must first clarify that, in fact, differences between top tunas are really pretty small.  similar to differences in top digital set-ups, imo - once you reach a certain level, the law of diminishing returns kicks in.  and, things might get "different", but not necessarily "better".

if i could have only one tuna, it would be either my modded sansui tu-x1, or my modded harman kardon citation 18.  the hk 18 has been one of the earliest tunas to come into my possession, since i became afflicted with tuna disease, & it's been able to see off all comers, until the arrival of the tu-x1.  it may have finally met its match, but i have not done direct blind a-b, so i cannot be sure.  in any ewent, both are stellar performers, & i could be happy w/either.  but, i have others that are so close, that the differences are not readily apparent w/o extreme close comparisons.  i could also be happy with these.  examples are:
-aiwa at9700u (which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods)
-heathkit aj1600 w/full mods & refurb
-sony st-a6b w/full mods & refurb
-sansui tu9900 w/full mods & refurb
-rotel rht-10 (which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods)
-roksan caspian (i am not sure if this modern tuna can be modded or not)
then, there's others that i could still be extremely happy with, but are a hair off the pace of the above (all, which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods):
-onix bwd1 w/soap-2 power supply (the best of this group, imo)
-revox b261
-heathkit aj1600
-jvc fx1100bk
-nikko gamma 1
-sansui tu717
-scott 312d
-creek 3140
then, there's some that i have sold, that still rank in the first group, but cuz of one reason or another, i sold them anyways:
-accuphase t109 (modded & refurb'd)
-accuphase t100, aligned (which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods)
-accuphase t101 (which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods)
-mitsubishi da-f20 (which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods)
-mitsubishi da-f20 (modded & refurb'd)
-philips ah673/6731 (which could be further improved w/a refurb & mods)
-marantz 20, refurb'd & aligned (a bit behind in sensitivity, imo)
then there's a lot i've sold, which would rank in the second - still excellent - group.  a few, off the top of my head:
-pioneer f91
-revox b760
-tandberg 3001a (refurb'd & aligned - extremely overpriced for its performance, imo)
-hitachi ft8000
-rotel rt2100
-sony st730es
-luxman t12 (a bit behind in sensitivity, imo)
-sumo charlie
-sumo aurora
-yamaha t2
-meridian 204 (a bit behind in sensitivity, imo)
i am sure i have forgotten several here.

then, there's tubed tunas.  i have not owned the marantz 10b, but, fwiw, many tuna freaks & marantz freaks say the s/s 20 is better than the 10b.  i dunno, i have tried the 20, but not the 10.  these tunas are, as a rule not quite as sensitive reception-wise as the s/s tunas...

i owned a completely refurb'd modded to the hilt mcintosh mr65b.  beautiful, excellent sound, decent reception for a tuber.  squarely in the middle of the second "keeper" group for sonics.  (i gave it to carlman as partial trade for his piegas, i am still awaiting his opinion about it, i think he's almost finished building his new listening room.)

the sherwood tunas, s3000lll & above, stereo or mono w/modern outboard mpx decoder, have reception capabilities a tad better than the mcintosh, tho still not as good as the s/s tunas.  sonics, however, even properly working unrefurb'd models, are as good as it gets - first group, right up there w/the tu-x1 & hk 18.  seriously.  imo, i mean!   :wink:

two other mono tube tunas warrent this praise sonically, when used w/modern s/s mpx stereo decoders - the sansui fm8, which has decent but not stellar reception, & the stromberg carlson sr445 & 443 (fm-only iteration of the 445).  the reception on the s-c's is positively mediocre, tho.  (as is the reception of a completely refurb'd & modded dyna fm3 i own - i have not yet been able to give it a proper sonic audition because of this, tho those who have, rank it as one of the best, if not the best, after mods...)

there is one tuna i have not tried that i really want to try - the new accuphase t1000.  those who have, say this tuna is actually significantly enough better than even the next-best, so it's not splitting hairs, when it is run thru an outboard dac...  it may take the sale of my tu-x1 to generate the funds to find out...   8)

another comment - unless you are a certified mcintosh fanatic, stay away from their solid-state tuna offerings.  the mr78 could have been recommended for its exceptional dx'ing capabilities, but now that the sony xdr f1-hd is out, that's a lot to pay for good reception.  the sonics of the s/s mac tunas are subpar, imo, & certainly not worth the prices they command.  the mr74 & mr77 are acknowledged to be mac's best sounding s/s tunas; i owned a 77 got it refurb'd, & it was mediocre sounding.  i recently got a mint 74, more than anything to prove to myself my feelings about the s/s macs, & it might be a bit better than the 77, but still nothing to write home about.  it will be going up f/s shortly.  (anyone here interested?)   :lol:

and, one last comment.  mods & refurb can make a big difference - the lowly kenwood kt7500 is really a dull sounding tuna in stock form, imo.  however, when modded, it vaults to the top group.  in fact, it is still the fave of the tuna "shootout" author jim rivers, from fmtunerinfo.com.

so, if you have quality (read: public) broadcasts in your area that play tunes you like, get a quality tuna, get it refurb'd/aligned/modded; set up a decent antenna, & enjoy music whose sound quality will rival your cd & winyl sources...   :green:

doug s.


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Re: Help needed about Magnum Dynalab’s 205 FM Signal Sleuth
« Reply #16 on: 28 Aug 2008, 07:55 am »
Wow you weren’t kidding when you said you have the tuner bug.
I have only ever owned the Ion Systems FMT 1, I did do A/B comparison with the Sony / Mission Cyrus at the time I bought it and got a better sound out of the Ion’s.
I wanted the FMT 2 but could not afford it at the time it was about £200 more and besides like you said with the laws of diminishing returns it was only a little better.

I would like to compare it, one of these day’s to other tuners to see how it stands up to them but I’ll have to wait till I can get a decent outside aerial fitted.

I’ve been looking at the various links you kindly sent me on Aerials, I found some good one's in America and Canada but they going to cost more than double the price of the aerial to send them to the UK.

I am struggling at the moment to find decent one’s in the UK, I have to do more research on that one or else i'll just get a good one sent from America or Canada.

Chris   

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« Reply #17 on: 28 Aug 2008, 11:23 am »
Wow you weren’t kidding when you said you have the tuner bug.
I have only ever owned the Ion Systems FMT 1, I did do A/B comparison with the Sony / Mission Cyrus at the time I bought it and got a better sound out of the Ion’s.
I wanted the FMT 2 but could not afford it at the time it was about £200 more and besides like you said with the laws of diminishing returns it was only a little better.

I would like to compare it, one of these day’s to other tuners to see how it stands up to them but I’ll have to wait till I can get a decent outside aerial fitted.

I’ve been looking at the various links you kindly sent me on Aerials, I found some good one's in America and Canada but they going to cost more than double the price of the aerial to send them to the UK.

I am struggling at the moment to find decent one’s in the UK, I have to do more research on that one or else i'll just get a good one sent from America or Canada.

Chris   

these guys sell what looks to be a pretty decent antenna - the fm8 - for 50ukp:
http://www.blake-uk.com/page/fmradio_VHF

this guy might have more sources:
http://www.jimsaerials.co.uk/index.htm

triax fm 5:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380005145467

but, it seems the blake fm8 & the triax fm5 are about it for uk aerials...

doug s.

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« Reply #18 on: 28 Aug 2008, 02:50 pm »
Thanks for the links, looks like they will do the job.

Chris