State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #20 on: 11 Sep 2008, 01:30 pm »
I hear you. The problem is no city or county or even state can bypass Federal law. If your town doesn't require inspection by an authority, they are breaking a Federal Law. The NEC is the highest level to be supercided by no one. I'm sure if you google for a state electrical inspector in your state, one will pop up. (I am assuming you live in the US). If not, that's a different story.

Wayner  :D


Not to beat a dead horse, but... I did as you said and googled state "electrical inspector". This is what I got from the neca-neis.org:


South Carolina
CODES: No statewide electrical code.
ENFORCEMENT:
No statewide electrical inspection.
LICENSING:
Electrical Contractor – Contractors performing on contracts of $17,500 or more must be licensed by the State Licensing Board for Contractors. Applicants must pass a written examination. License fee $350; examination fee $75; biennial renewal license fee $350. A special license is required for contractors exclusively installing fire alarms.

Journeyman Electrician – No state licensing of journeymen. Licensed at local level.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #21 on: 11 Sep 2008, 01:49 pm »
What you found doesn't matter. The National Electrical Code rules, everywhere.

Because there isn't a state electrical code doesn't mean there isn't an electrical code. The state (South Carolina) just doesn't have it's own additional codes besides the NEC.

Wayner

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #22 on: 11 Sep 2008, 02:48 pm »
Your local/state building code is the law that will point you to required compliance with NEC (NFPA 70).  I belive most states have now adopted the IBC (international building code), many states will have their own code based on the IBC with their own amendments.

edit: The 2003 edition of IBC chapter 27 points you to the ICC electrical code which will point you to NFPA 70/NEC.

Ed

ST-2A3

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #23 on: 11 Sep 2008, 04:26 pm »
What you found doesn't matter. The National Electrical Code rules, everywhere.

Because there isn't a state electrical code doesn't mean there isn't an electrical code. The state (South Carolina) just doesn't have it's own additional codes besides the NEC.

Wayner

I know the NEC rules, everywhere. That was not my point. My point was that there are no statewide inspections, like you assumed there was.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #24 on: 11 Sep 2008, 04:33 pm »
There's nobody in your area qualified to inspect your structure based on National Codes?

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« Reply #25 on: 11 Sep 2008, 04:54 pm »
There's nobody in your area qualified to inspect your structure based on National Codes?

Bob


We have city and county inspectors, who are of dubious quality...  :roll:

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #26 on: 11 Sep 2008, 05:58 pm »
But there's not a company that can perform this? (Not a government office)

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« Reply #27 on: 11 Sep 2008, 06:27 pm »
But there's not a company that can perform this? (Not a government office)

Not that I am aware of. There are home inspection specialists. Some are good and as some say here, are working for the realty companies. I do no know if any of them would inspect some work done on a single room, especially on one outlet added to a room, and that is what this whole thread is about, "Getting your work inspected"...

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« Reply #28 on: 11 Sep 2008, 06:41 pm »
Even lisensed electricians need to have their work inspected.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #29 on: 11 Sep 2008, 08:54 pm »
Even lisensed electricians need to have their work inspected.

Like I said earlier, if the job is under $500, no permit is required, and with no permit issued, there will be no inspection. Not all states are the same and some local municipalities may be breaking federal law(s). That is the system that is in place in my state. As long as I go by there regulations, what more can I do?

Even HVAC contractors who install a complete replacement HVAC system, do not pull permits and the work is never inspected around here.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #30 on: 12 Sep 2008, 11:54 am »

Like I said earlier, if the job is under $500, no permit is required, and with no permit issued, there will be no inspection. Not all states are the same and some local municipalities may be breaking federal law(s). That is the system that is in place in my state. As long as I go by there regulations, what more can I do?

Even HVAC contractors who install a complete replacement HVAC system, do not pull permits and the work is never inspected around here.

The National Electrical Code (NEC) isn't a law.  See, eg:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Electrical_Code_(US)

It's simply a set of recommendations.  Now, I think many of these are very good recommendations, but it's a set of recommendations nonetheless.  You can still have a fire even if you follow the recommendations.

Wayner

Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #31 on: 12 Sep 2008, 01:03 pm »
http://www.nfpa.org/itemDetail.asp?categoryID=519&itemID=18233&URL=About%20Us/Government%20Affairs This is a short list of current considerations.

Many codes are adopted from Federal laws passed by congress. While Wikiwhatever says the NEC has no teeth, further down the river, it does (indirectly). The NEC is a birth of NFPA and in particular NFPA-70A. It's purpose is to reduce fire and public harm, caused by improper electrical installations.

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Re: State Electrical Inspector was here this morning.....
« Reply #32 on: 12 Sep 2008, 02:51 pm »
standards/codes/laws - NFPA develops minimum standards for pretty much anything relating a situation that could create a fire, or deals with a fire. Within each and all of these standards is a statement to the effect that they are the minimum recommended for safety, and their adoption/implementation is subject to the Local Authority Having Jurisdiction. The 'local' AHJ can be city, county, or state. The only time the Federal gov't gets involved is with regard to properties they own/occupy, or in some case how their money is spent. Example - a nursing home receiving Medicaid/Medicare payments for their residents can be required to retro-fit a fire sprinkler/alarm system as a life safety consideration, if they want to continue receiving federal funds.

In the late 90's the 4 major code creation groups, ICBO (Int Conference of Bldg Officials, source of the Uniform Codes), BOCA (Bldg Officials Conference of America), SBC (Southern Bldg Conference), and another who's name I can't remember consolidated their organizations into the International Codes Council in an effort to standardize building codes nationally, rather than the regional approach that was in place at that time. Their first published set of standards was in 2000, and as leaders in all aspects of building standards they are in fact adopted in many areas worldwide that do not have the knowledge resource to create their own standards.

At that time most all conferences paid NFPA for publication rights to their standards, and then included them in their standards with certain adjustments they felt were needed to meet their requirements. There was also discussion between ICC & NFPA about a degree of consolidation that would incorporate the entire NFPA collection into the ICC. Due to an inability to agree regarding specifics of fire protection systems standards, that didn't occur, and while on most items relating to fire protection the ICC references the NFPA standards, NFPA actually created their own building code NPFA 5000. While the ICC codes are the dominant standard, many states have adopted NFPA 5000 as their building code.

Regardless of what building code is being used, they only become law based on adoption by statute of the AHJ. That can be your city, county, or state depending on the specific geographic location, and in some cases the type of occupancy. ie a hospital is most likely subject not only to the city/county standards that have been adopted, but to state standards as they generally set minimum guidelines for health care.

Offered for clarification based on 35+ years in the fire protection industry dealing daily with NFPA standards & building codes/officials. With the exception of national security, and federal facilities, codes/laws are adopted/applied from the State down to the City level. Oh yes, the NEC is something of a misnomer, in that it's not a Code or law until adopted as such in writing. The 'National' aspect of the name refers to it's creation by the National Fire Protection Association, not creation or adoption by the federal gov't.