LessLoss power cable

jwes · « **on:** 5 Aug 2008, 01:34 am »

Hi - this is a pretty specific question, but I'll give it a try. Has anyone tried a LessLoss power cable into a PS Audio Power Plant Premier? I am not worried about the issues of putting the LessLoss into a filter, because the PPP is really not a filter but a regenerator so it doesn't really restrict. It makes sense to use one of PS Audio's top of the line power cables with this, but for some odd reason, I'm tempted to use the LL. By the way, this is to connect my ModWright transporter...

Any thoughts on any of the above pieces would be greatly appreciated!!

satfrat · « **Reply #1 on:** 5 Aug 2008, 01:38 am »

Doesn't LessLoss specifically recommend not using their power cord into anything other than an unfiltered wall socket?

JerryM · « **Reply #2 on:** 5 Aug 2008, 02:05 am »

Quote from: jwes on 5 Aug 2008, 01:34 am

I am not worried about the issues of putting the LessLoss into a filter, because the PPP is really not a filter but a regenerator...

Quote from: satfrat on 5 Aug 2008, 01:38 am

Doesn't LessLoss specifically recommend not using their power cord into anything other than an unfiltered wall socket?

Both outstanding points. If I were going to test one of my humble theories, and I often have, I would partner with a company who has an ironclad, well spelled out, return policy. I have never required said return policy, but maybe so much peace of mind led to that fact.

Have fun,

Jerry

jwes · « **Reply #3 on:** 5 Aug 2008, 03:36 am »

Quote from: satfrat on 5 Aug 2008, 01:38 am

Doesn't LessLoss specifically recommend not using their power cord into anything other than an unfiltered wall socket?

I don't know. Was that a rhetorical question? I'm not aware if that is what they recommend. Maybe I should just ask them

satfrat · « **Reply #4 on:** 5 Aug 2008, 03:58 am »

Quote from: jwes on 5 Aug 2008, 03:36 am

Quote from: satfrat on 5 Aug 2008, 01:38 am
Doesn't LessLoss specifically recommend not using their power cord into anything other than an unfiltered wall socket?

I don't know. Was that a rhetorical question? I'm not aware if that is what they recommend. Maybe I should just ask them

I really don't know but I think I read something along these lines about Lessloss from someone who had actually tried them with power conditioners.

It could have easily been another power cord, there's so many that it's hard to keep track of them all.

Cheers,
Robin

PS, http://www.lessloss.com/page.html?id=18 Listening to their video presentation for the power cable leds me to believe LessLoss looks down toward any type of power conditioning so I would definitely talk directly to LessLoss about the use of PS Audio conditioners infront of their power cords.

chosenhandle · « **Reply #5 on:** 11 Aug 2008, 02:47 pm »

I used a lessloss power cable with my Running Springs Haley (main power cable). It was truly awful. Loss of detail (lots of that) and dynamics...it was dull sounding. Sort of like the life was sucked right out of the music.

They recomend that you not "stack" the cable with any other conditioner.

I know its not a PS power unit, but thought I would share my experience.

Big Red Machine · « **Reply #6 on:** 11 Aug 2008, 03:12 pm »

More likely the PS unit than the cable.

jazzcourier · « **Reply #7 on:** 11 Aug 2008, 06:50 pm »

I have read these comments with great interest as i recently purchased a LessLoss power cable. After so many positive comments I was hoping for a nice bump so i plugged it into the ModWright power supply for the preamp into the wall on one of several dedicated lines.I got what the company says...Less and Loss...then i tried the cord into a dedicated line on the ModWright Phono preamp,more Less and Loss.Now it is in the power supply for the CD player into the wall on another dedicated line and it seems to be performing well.I went back to the Tsunami 2 {or plus} pc's on those components and restored the glory.
I am surprised at the lack of performance of this power cord after so many positive comments.I know they are instructing you to put this into the wall,has anyone tried these through a Hydra 8 ? I bought this cord used so there is no sending it back but i sure would if i could.I know it has worked well for many,but not for me.This is not meant as a knock against LessLoss,i am just giving my impression on how this cord impacted my system.The cord is in great shape and is near new condition.Thanking you for any comments.

Jon L · « **Reply #8 on:** 11 Aug 2008, 08:21 pm »

Quote from: jazzcourier on 11 Aug 2008, 06:50 pm

the ModWright power supply for the preamp into the wall on one of several dedicated lines.I got what the company says...Less and Loss...then i tried the cord into a dedicated line on the ModWright Phono preamp,more Less and Loss. Now it is in the power supply for the CD player into the wall on another dedicated line and it seems to be performing well

Lessloss works best with "neutral" gear, preferably non-tubed, with a lot of detail resolution to begin with. In all cases, they sound best without additional power conditioning. Even little things can screw things up, such as overly warm (read: gold-plated ) boutique AC plugs or outlets in the system or other darkish cables, cords, gear in the system.

In fact, I suspect that those gold-plated Oyaide plugs on Lessloss is exacerbating this effect unfortunately.

However, when all these caveats are avoided, Lessloss can be glorious-sounding IMO.

rydenfan · « **Reply #9 on:** 11 Aug 2008, 08:33 pm »

I run my LessLoss from my Modwright Transporter into my Running Springs Danielle and it sounds wonderful. This is from a tube product to a power conditioner with no issues at all. The cord sounds wonderful where it is placed. So we may want to eliminate some of the sweeping generalizations from this thread and say that it will be system dependant.

satfrat · « **Reply #10 on:** 11 Aug 2008, 08:50 pm »

Quote from: rydenfan on 11 Aug 2008, 08:33 pm

I run my LessLoss from my Modwright Transporter into my Running Springs Danielle and it sounds wonderful. This is from a tube product to a power conditioner with no issues at all. The cord sounds wonderful where it is placed. So we may want to eliminate some of the sweeping generalizations from this thread and say that it will be system dependant.

IF LessLoss recommends not using a power conditioner of any kind in a system using their power cords, I for one think that this needs to be known and I wouldn't catagorize this recommendation as "sweeping generalizations". But even tho I'd like to know what LessLoss has to say on the subject, it's good to hear from the experiences of LessLoss owners, good or bad. Thanks for sharing some good experiences.

Cheers,
Robin

ted_b · « **Reply #11 on:** 12 Aug 2008, 01:36 am »

I run a Lessloss from my Modwright TP into a power conditioner (currently a demo'd Synergistic Research Powercell 10; my standard one is an Audience Adept Response AR12) and it sounds great! I have no problem whatsoever using it into a good conditioner.

jbtrio · « **Reply #12 on:** 12 Aug 2008, 02:19 am »

I run a Lessloss from my Supratek pre-amp to an APS Purepower 1050 regenerator. The sound is very good IMHO with no ill effects.
You might lose some dynamics, but it adds a natural presentation to the sound.

jazzcourier · « **Reply #13 on:** 12 Aug 2008, 03:43 am »

Great observations folks! Thanks for all the input on the output,i feel less put out now about the LessLoss on a power conditioner and will try it on my Hydra and report back.The more comments the better!

rydenfan · « **Reply #14 on:** 12 Aug 2008, 02:18 pm »

Quote from: satfrat on 11 Aug 2008, 08:50 pm

Quote from: rydenfan on 11 Aug 2008, 08:33 pm
I run my LessLoss from my Modwright Transporter into my Running Springs Danielle and it sounds wonderful. This is from a tube product to a power conditioner with no issues at all. The cord sounds wonderful where it is placed. So we may want to eliminate some of the sweeping generalizations from this thread and say that it will be system dependant.

IF LessLoss recommends not using a power conditioner of any kind in a system using their power cords, I for one think that this needs to be known and I wouldn't catagorize this recommendation as "sweeping generalizations". But even tho I'd like to know what LessLoss has to say on the subject, it's good to hear from the experiences of LessLoss owners, good or bad. Thanks for sharing some good experiences.

Cheers,
Robin

I was reffering to Jon L's post where he said the LessLoss should not be run on tube gear and in all cases, they sound best without additional power conditioning. There are multiple users of these cables that have no issue in either of these situations. So yes, I believe these comments should be treated more as a system dependant thing than a sweep generalization.

Jon L · « **Reply #15 on:** 12 Aug 2008, 02:35 pm »

Quote from: rydenfan on 12 Aug 2008, 02:18 pm

I was reffering to Jon L's post where he said the LessLoss should not be run on tube gear and in all cases, they sound best without additional power conditioning. There are multiple users of these cables that have no issue in either of these situations. So yes, I believe these comments should be treated more as a system dependant thing than a sweep generalization.

LOL. Just like you said, I still think they sound "best" without power conditioning. Nothing in my statement says that Lessloss *can't* sound good with conditioners.

But I do know some audiophiles who have never seriously directly compared Lessloss with and without their favorite power conditioners. After they try actual comparisons, if they still prefer their Lessloss into conditioners, that's how the world turns..

CodyRed · « **Reply #16 on:** 17 Aug 2008, 12:18 am »

I've had 2 Lessloss cords. What I found was that using it on the PS Premier I previously had was a very veiled and non-dynamic combination. I tried it on my Blue Circle BmPH and did not like it there either. Where it has done well is on my Raysonic cdp straight to the wall. It is dynamic and punchy there. Everyone's system works differently with the power cords they choose, but for me, the one place where the Lessloss has performed really well has been on my cdp. For me it makes sense too, because the one area that needs filtering is digital. I don't believe the Lessloss is designed to be connected to units that filter AC since it is a filtering power cord. I believe the designer Liudas has stated something similar to this in the past.

amdan · « **Reply #17 on:** 17 Aug 2008, 08:07 am »

I have just come across your query. I received my LessLoss cable on the very day you posted it! I only have one and am using it to feed my PPP.

The results have been incredible. The treble extended and so did the bass. The background is significantly quieter. I also have more detail! The difference is almost as much as the difference the PPP itself made.

amdan · « **Reply #18 on:** 17 Aug 2008, 08:09 am »

I forgot to mention that when I first put it in the only disadvantage I noticed was the loss of PRAT. However, after 12 days I am completely happy with it. I may simply have got used to the loss of PRAT but frankly don't care. The advantages greatly outweight any disadvantages.

jwes · « **Reply #19 on:** 17 Aug 2008, 05:43 pm »

Quote from: amdan on 17 Aug 2008, 08:07 am

I have just come across your query. I received my LessLoss cable on the very day you posted it! I only have one and am using it to feed my PPP.

The results have been incredible. The treble extended and so did the bass. The background is significantly quieter. I also have more detail! The difference is almost as much as the difference the PPP itself made.

This is really interesting to me. I had considered feeding the PPP with the lessloss.... That now feels viable again. What cord did you have before? I'm using their statement cord but would maybe put that on the TP and lessloss from wall to PPP. I actually didn't see much difference putting the statement cable onto the PPP.