Insight DAC -- First Review

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HChi

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #20 on: 22 Jul 2008, 02:37 pm »
gjs_cd,
It is a nice review.  How much is the Insight DAC?  Will it be able to take multiple inputs? It appears that you have multiple input sources, if it can only take single input, are you using a switch or just unplugging/replugging all the time?

Thanks.

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #21 on: 22 Jul 2008, 04:22 pm »
Hey HChi,

I *think*, for the time being, Frank has the Insight DAC priced the same as the OmegaStar DAC.  (The Insight DAC *just* (officially) came out.  Like--last week.  As a result, I don't know if the website has been updated yet.)  My suggestion would be to give him a call for a quote.  With inflation and the devaluing dollar the way that it is--his product line is up for a market correction.  He's also got a great at-home audition policy, so if you're in the market--it would definitely be on my short list.

The Insight only has a single coax digital input.  Some may see this as a flaw--but if it helps lower the cost, I see it as a feature.  Most people won't have multiple digital sources anyway.  Why add features that only a few will use?  (And thereby increase the price for all?)

Just the other day, someone posted about a good digital switcher.  It also can convert from Optical to digital coaxial.  The great thing is, it's really not that much more than a good optical to coax converter anyway.  I may be picking it up myself, so I can connect my DVD player (coax), Tuner (optical) and an Apple Airport Express (optical) to the Insight DAC (via digital coax).
[ http://www.inday.com/da4x/da4x.htm ]

Hope this helps,

Wally King

Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #22 on: 22 Jul 2008, 04:55 pm »
I'm curious about the T8, all-tube DAC. There's no mention of it on the AVA website.

Does anyone know what it costs, or how it compares/contrasts with the Insight and Ultra DACs?

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #23 on: 22 Jul 2008, 05:00 pm »
I can offer a  :thumb: for the Inday. Purchased one last fall based on recommendation of a friend who'd had it for a couple of years. Simple unit, fairly priced, really nice folks, and has a remote. It was also one of the alternate recommendations Frank had for the multi-source config.

Am currently running optical from CD changer to one input, and optical HT audio from Pre/Processor to another, then out to Ultra DAC to T8 for 2 ch or L/R HT output.


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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #24 on: 22 Jul 2008, 05:32 pm »
I'm curious about the T8, all-tube DAC. There's no mention of it on the AVA website.

Does anyone know what it costs, or how it compares/contrasts with the Insight and Ultra DACs?


The T8 DAC is yet another new product, and it's not listed on the website.  It's pricepoint (I think) is between the Insight and Ultra lines.  I'm sure there will be a bulk-update on the website soon--to cover the Insight line and some other new products.  (And I'm guessing a price-hike.  Now may be the time, guys...)

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #25 on: 22 Jul 2008, 06:14 pm »

Wally King

Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #26 on: 23 Jul 2008, 11:49 am »
Thanks for that link, Ron.

I can't believe I actually missed that thread, but I believe I may have been wine-tasting in the Napa Valley that week.

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #27 on: 25 Jul 2008, 11:58 am »
Thank you for the excellent review.  You've nudged me off the fence and I'll be sending in my order early next week to beat the price increase.  Thank you, Frank, for the warning.  I've cleared an advance on my allowance with my CFO.

I finally replaced the tubes in my FET valve preamp, and it made a huge difference.  They were ten years old, but I hadn't been doing much listening since my power amp started acting flaky.  I bought a used power amp, and had music again, so I listened, a lot.  Then, sometimes the sound from the system would be horrible.  I thought it might be a speaker, but it wasn't consistent.  It was the tubes.

Now, for the first time, I can actually hear what people are complaining about when they complain about CD sound.  I had been skeptical - not that it existed, but would an expensive piece of gear make that big of a difference?  Or is it just something about CDs that make them sound not smooth or dynamic?  Well, Frank didn't steer me wrong on the preamp (which I bought because my old Phase Linear died and I needed something.)  It was by far the best improvement I'd heard.  By letting the loud parts be loud, and the soft parts be soft, it un-compressed the music to a degree I'd never imagined possible from CDs.

So, I looked at the descriptions of the DACs and have been having this internal debate.  Are they worth it?  Well, the Ultra is probably out of my price range entirely, but I can swing the Insight.  This review helped a lot.  I was leaning toward getting a decent CD player next, but was struggling with whether all that money would make that much of an improvement.   We'll try the DAC.     

pardales

Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #28 on: 25 Jul 2008, 12:23 pm »
I think you are making a very smart decision by upgrading your DAC, MarkD. Upgrading your source can, sometimes, change everything. Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.

Big Red Machine

Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #29 on: 25 Jul 2008, 02:21 pm »
Just ordered one from Frank.  I may stop in to see him next week during my biz trip.

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #30 on: 25 Jul 2008, 02:27 pm »
Hi Pete, darn it I did not put together your name with your screen name until just now.

By the way, thanks again for your great hospitality at the AudioKarma show.  Lovely home and family and outrageous video room.

Best regards, and thanks for the order.

Frank Van Alstine

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« Reply #31 on: 25 Jul 2008, 03:10 pm »
Thank you for the excellent review.  You've nudged me off the fence and I'll be sending in my order early next week to beat the price increase.  Thank you, Frank, for the warning.  I've cleared an advance on my allowance with my CFO. 

I really hope to see your own review online.  I'm interested to see if we share similar experiences w/ it. 

And for the record, I think getting the DAC is definitely the way to go.  Buying an inexpensive DVD player as a transport and a good quality DAC is really the best of both worlds.  You'll get the flexibility of reading multi-formats with the (vastly superior) DAC sound quality. 

I'm confident I can already predict how your review will read--but remain interested none the less...  :)

Mountain-ear

Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #32 on: 29 Jul 2008, 02:30 am »
Happy day for me -- my Insight DAC (upgraded from an OmegaStar DAC circa 2002) arrived today.  Initial impressions?  Acoustic instruments (especially the piano) sounded more lifelike than ever, and the imaging was far better than it was before.  I was hoping for a noticeable improvement, and I was blown away.

Because a couple of weeks elapsed while the DAC was being upgraded, I'll be the first to acknowledge that my comments are more subjective than objective.  No A/B comparisons were possible, but I specifically selected music that was well known to me, and I am confident that the improvement is more than a subtle shift or wishful thinking.

I don't know how you do it, Frank, but keep it up.  This DAC is a remarkable step forward.

Steve

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #33 on: 29 Jul 2008, 12:47 pm »
That is a reassuring comment, Mountain-ear.  I just dropped my order in the mail this morning.  I've never heard the DAC, but I love what the pre-amp did, so I'm going to take it on faith that this will make things even better.  I'm using my son's old Sony CD/DVD player (I forget the model, probably a < $200 unit) which happens to have a coax out.  You have to figure that not a lot of effort or money went in to making the CD audio sound good.

My listening tastes run more toward vocal music, and a lot of what I listen to is not well mastered.  (Any Kingston Trio fans out there?  Don't the CDs sound like tape recordings of an LP?)  I also like a lot of Celtic, Japanese 70's era Folk Rock, and a pretty eclectic mix of Jazz, Classical, Rock, Broadway, Movie Soundtracks and even the odd Country album.

I am hoping the DAC will make the cymbals sound more like cymbals, and resolve some of the softer sounds better than the stock CD player.  I know I will be happy.  From these comments/reviews, I'm guessing I might be ecstatic.  Oh, and I owe my wife a $400 advance against my allowance.   

martyo

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« Reply #34 on: 29 Jul 2008, 01:05 pm »
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I just dropped my order in the mail this morning.  I've never heard the DAC, but I love what the pre-amp did, so I'm going to take it on faith that this will make things even better.  I'm using my son's old Sony CD/DVD player (I forget the model, probably a < $200 unit) which happens to have a coax out.  You have to figure that not a lot of effort or money went in to making the CD audio sound good.

That faith will be rewarded based on my own AVA experience.  :thumb:

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(Any Kingston Trio fans out there?  Don't the CDs sound like tape recordings of an LP?)

They are really lacking, it's a shame....And I don't give a ____ about a greenback........ 8)
For a wailin' song and a good guitar, the only things that I understand, poor boy, the only things that I understand.

gjs_cds

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #35 on: 29 Jul 2008, 01:26 pm »
That is a reassuring comment, Mountain-ear.  I just dropped my order in the mail this morning.  I've never heard the DAC, but I love what the pre-amp did, so I'm going to take it on faith that this will make things even better.

You know--I remember the first time I heard my AVA pre-amp, and I honestly couldn't believe the improvement.  (It had replaced a Rotel.)  I can honestly say, without exaggeration or hyperbole, that every new AVA product has left me in quite a stupor.  The amp opened up the high end that I didn't know existed.  The pre-amp let me hear what dynamics *really* are.  The DAC, for the lack of a better description, made music more (of everything).  More interesting. 

I am hoping the DAC will make the cymbals sound more like cymbals, and resolve some of the softer sounds better than the stock CD player.  I know I will be happy.  From these comments/reviews, I'm guessing I might be ecstatic.  Oh, and I owe my wife a $400 advance against my allowance.   

For what it's worth--the cymbals are something that stood out to me in no short order.  I'm confident that you'll be quite happy.  The Celtic music, I would think, will be especially impressive (due to the improved dynamics).

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #36 on: 1 Aug 2008, 01:01 am »
So I decided to listen to my old source tonight--because it's been about 2 weeks after receiving the Insight DAC.

Two characteristics seem to be apparent to me.

1.  Flat.  The music just sounds flat.  I'm guessing this is second to the inferior dynamic range on my former DVD player.  (It didn't take long to grow accustom to the far superior dynamic range of the Insight DAC.)

2.  Dull.  The music (regardless of recording) sounds dull.  And this one surprises me.  Dull would infer (psychoacousticly) a lack of treble.  But I'm sitting here, listening to this relatively lifeless music--and I hear treble in spades.  It's where it needs to be.  Yet--it just sounds... wrong.  At this point--I think I'm hearing a lack of detail in the treble.  A well recorded snare drum also seems to have lost some of the detail as well.  (You know--the metal cords on the bottom side of a snare?  Well, some of that detailed resonance is lost...)

I could go on and on, but I'll save us the time.  I've gone Insight DAC, and I'm not going back.  Thanks again, Frank...

(Now--if you could include our Insight DAC into your Insight control amp... now THAT would be one killer product!)

Big Red Machine

Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #37 on: 1 Aug 2008, 01:14 am »
Buy an Insight DAC today!!  Exceptional unit either with the Insight pre or Ultra pre.  I actually preferred the Ultra pre combo.  Stopped at Frank's today and that DAC is fantastic.  Hard to tell it's solid state. :thumb:

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #38 on: 1 Aug 2008, 01:38 am »
Update:  I've just confirmed that you can use a standard DVD player (Phillips 5990, in my case) to read any number of digital audio file formats and send it out to the Insight DAC as PCM over digital coax.  This means that you can load up a DVD with any number of lossy and lossless file formats and still benefit from the Insight DAC.

And what's more interesting to me is that the Phillips 5990 has a USB input.  This means that I can now put my music library on an external hard drive, navigate & play these files through the Phillips 5990, and then send it through the Insight DAC to my pre-amp.

This leads to less clutter in my living room, of which my interior designer spouse will appreciate.  :)

HChi

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Re: Insight DAC -- First Review
« Reply #39 on: 1 Aug 2008, 03:22 am »
Thanks for the info.  I know for SPDIF digital connection, once it deviates off from 75ohm, it may affect the sound.


Hey HChi,

I *think*, for the time being, Frank has the Insight DAC priced the same as the OmegaStar DAC.  (The Insight DAC *just* (officially) came out.  Like--last week.  As a result, I don't know if the website has been updated yet.)  My suggestion would be to give him a call for a quote.  With inflation and the devaluing dollar the way that it is--his product line is up for a market correction.  He's also got a great at-home audition policy, so if you're in the market--it would definitely be on my short list.

The Insight only has a single coax digital input.  Some may see this as a flaw--but if it helps lower the cost, I see it as a feature.  Most people won't have multiple digital sources anyway.  Why add features that only a few will use?  (And thereby increase the price for all?)

Just the other day, someone posted about a good digital switcher.  It also can convert from Optical to digital coaxial.  The great thing is, it's really not that much more than a good optical to coax converter anyway.  I may be picking it up myself, so I can connect my DVD player (coax), Tuner (optical) and an Apple Airport Express (optical) to the Insight DAC (via digital coax).
[ http://www.inday.com/da4x/da4x.htm ]

Hope this helps,