simple dAck! mod - output capacitor change

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tmij

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simple dAck! mod - output capacitor change
« on: 2 Nov 2003, 07:32 pm »
This mod was first described by Danny of GR Research in this  thread. In our NYC October get-together most everyone noticed differences between the Sony 777ES playing redbook and the dAck. These differences were not subtle and are described in that thread.

Two weeks ago, I wrote about the dAck and the TubeDac+ after which Danny suggested I try this mod and give it about 50 hours break-in. The mod itself is quite simple and takes less than an hour to perform.

Disclaimer: if you're concerned about product warranty please get in touch with the manufacturer.

The 3.0 uF Sonicaps are a bit larger than the 2.2 uF Auricaps and can be tricky to fit into the same spot. For my purposes, I decided to keep the Auris in place as these were glued to a backing tape attached to the back plate. I found it was also much simpler to cut the cap wires where it joined the output terminals.



Next step is to desolder the Auris from the PC board. The underside of the board also marks the L-R output channels.



Before soldering the Sonicaps decide where you'd like them to fit (above the board is fine but make sure those exposed terminals don't touch anything else). Then make sure you've got the channels correctly matched from the board through the output terminals. If you're keeping the Auris, then you might run those wires under the securing tape for neatness sake.



Final inspection before assembly.



There's little wiggle room in there and if you find the front and back plates can't get snug into the case, then you must've dislodged the battery. Just nudge it back in place.



Sound

Immediately after the mod, I played through the dAck using most the same tracks from that DAC shootout. From my listening notes (this was done a week ago), I wrote that although the cap change improved both top-end and bottom extensions, some noticeable grain crept back especially with vocals. The dAck with the 2.2 uF Auri's sounded a bit more refined. On one of my "unlistenable" CDs, Pee Wee Russell and Coleman Hawkin's Reunion, the instruments were brought more forward than I'd have liked. I thought about this tradeoff and decided to let it break in some more.

A week later (~ 30 hours burn-in), listening to the dAck with the Sonicaps I must admit I can't remember any difference between the original caps and the mod EXCEPT that there isn't any noticeable rolloff in the extensions with the mod. On my reference tracks, the modded dAck sounds very smooth with a touch of sibilance added to vocals, but I'll take that as part of the tradeoff. Although the original personality remains intact, it seems the dAck put on a few pounds of extra muscle.

Thanks to Danny for suggesting this mod, for me, it's a keeper.

8thnerve

simple dAck! mod - output capacitor change
« Reply #1 on: 3 Nov 2003, 04:53 pm »
I replaced the 2.2 Auricaps with 3.3 Auricaps and achieved the same results.  Also, the 3.3 are much larger, but they will fit in the same spot!

Great bass, and more refinement if that is possible.

audioengr

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« Reply #2 on: 3 Nov 2003, 05:54 pm »
Now I know why this DAC sounds the way Hantra described it.

If you want this one to shine, buy a couple of multi-cap RTX for these outputs.  This is the ONLY coupling cap to use IMO.

mcrespo71

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« Reply #3 on: 4 Nov 2003, 05:52 am »
Just heard the newly modified dACK at Tito's house........
Great dac just got better! :lol:   I can't add much except to say that although the frequency extremes certainly approved, the midrange seemed more fleshed out and full.  It's wasn't hard to hear that the dac improved all around.  Only caveat is that Tito just bought some new cables, so it is difficult for me to disentangle the improvements from one upgrade to another.  But things certainly have improved!!!

It will be really telling to hear this newly modified dac in my system because the previous unmodified had a GREAT synergy in my system, as was controversiallyargued about ad naseum in another thread.

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« Reply #4 on: 4 Nov 2003, 04:15 pm »
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I replaced the 2.2 Auricaps with 3.3 Auricaps and achieved the same results. Also, the 3.3 are much larger, but they will fit in the same spot!


Upgrading to larger Auricaps only gets you the improvement in the lows, and the larger cap value may actually roll the highs off even more.

The Sonicaps brought the detail level in the highs up a notch and they seam to no longer be rolled off. Part of or most of this extension is do to the by-pass cap.

Another plus is that the Sonicaps are 1/2 the price of the Auricaps.

[/quote]On my reference tracks, the modded dAck sounds very smooth with a touch of sibilance added to vocals, but I'll take that as part of the tradeoff.
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It is likely that the sibilance you here is in the recording. The Auricap tends to smear or soften the midrange some which may cover up some details.

Keep in mind that the dissipation factor of the Sonicap with the .01uF by-pass is much faster than the single Auricap.

Also with ~30 hours of burn in under your belt you still have some more burn in time in front of you. Remember the manufacturer of the Sonicaps recommends 100 hours.

Also just as I did with Tito I am willing to send out the Sonicaps to any others who would like to try them in their dAck.

Same deal... If you like them keep them and pay for them. $26.40 plus shipping. If you don't like them just send them back.

kana813

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« Reply #5 on: 4 Nov 2003, 06:55 pm »
Danny- "Upgrading to larger Auricaps only gets you the improvement in the lows, and the larger cap value may actually roll the highs off even more. "

Shouldn't a .01uf bypass accross the Auricap, like you did with the Sonicap solve the high-end roll off?

Also, what size Sonicaps would you recommend to bypass a 5400uf/63vdc
amplifer output stage? It's currently bypassed by a Wima 1uf/250vdc.

Gbatokai

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simple dAck! mod - output capacitor change
« Reply #6 on: 4 Nov 2003, 07:17 pm »
Quote from: audioengr
Now I know why this DAC sounds the way Hantra described it.

If you want this one to shine, buy a couple of multi-cap RTX for these outputs.  This is the ONLY coupling cap to use IMO.


People I know with extensive building/mod'ing experience keep recommending the RTX 100nF for decoupling, so I guess there must be some truth to it :)

It has this strange property of "evening out" the quirks of the bigger cap, I am told.

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« Reply #7 on: 5 Nov 2003, 04:22 pm »
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Shouldn't a .01uf bypass accross the Auricap, like you did with the Sonicap solve the high-end roll off?


Could be. I bet it would. Want to find out?

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Also, what size Sonicaps would you recommend to bypass a 5400uf/63vdc amplifer output stage? It's currently bypassed by a Wima 1uf/250vdc.


Gary Dodd is building me some new amps. Each mono-block has 6 large caps the size of a 12 oz Coke can. He's by-passing those with 630 VDC 1.0 uF Sonicaps further by-passed with .01 uF 630 VDC Sonicaps.

I hope that helps.