My First Day With a Tolerable Turntable

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Mister Pig

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Cleaning Vinyl On the Cheap
« Reply #20 on: 28 May 2008, 12:26 am »
There are several DIY record cleaning solutions on the web. The one I used had a gallon of reverse osmosis water, a pint of 99.9% pure isopropyl alchohol. a capful of kodak photoflow, and a dash of lysol concentrated cleaning solution.

I used a record cleaning machine, but there is a manual process that can result in a very good wet cleaning procedure.

Go to the drug store, and buy two of the brushes that are used to clean under finger nails. Use one to brush the cleaning solution into the record grooves. Follow the groove, dont brush across them. Then rinse with a new bottle of purified water, and use the second brush to wipe off the excess water. Leave in a new dish rack to air dry.

This system works very well, and is pretty cheap.

As far as new cartridges go. Consider the Goldrings 1000 series. Don't know what they sell for anymore, I havent done vinyl in a while. But the GX-1012 is musical, has a great tip profile, and digs alot of detail out of a record. It was my favorite inexpensive cartridge.

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David Ellis

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Re: My First Day With a Tolerable Turntable
« Reply #21 on: 29 May 2008, 08:05 pm »
Thanks very much for all of you advice gents.  I would like to convey some updates with regard to cleaning, record quality and general flavor that I appreciate from records.  The biggest chunk of my commentary is in the realm of cleaning.  There are a few questions herein, and any help would be greatly appreciated.

I managed to find a discwasher pad, and use this before each play.  I have also found that a large/soft paint brush works quite well in soapy water.  I rinse the records with tap water initially, then Reverse Osmosis water.  I then leave them against the kitchen counter backsplash to dry.  I also purchased a soft horse hair brush for my vacuum cleaner.  All of these things seem to work fairly well, but I am not certain the vacuum cleaner has much impact.  I have tried a few records, and there are some strange and inconsistent artifacts.

I have noticed there are some very loud POPPING sounds, on some records in some tracks.  In other records, there is barely any noise.  All of these records were purchased at the local Salvation Army store.  More specifically I notice the following...

Amy Grant recording - a visibly tattered vinyl surface, and somewhat noisy.  The recording quality is decent, but the very large frequency of mechanical noise makes this vinyl not usable.

Michael W. Smith, The Big Picture - A VERY clean vinyl surface with VERY little noise after cleaning.  Unfortunately the recording quality is quite poor and therefore this record is not listenable. 

Dallas Holm, Praise (previously mentioned) - A visibly clean vinyl surface with infrequent, but LOUD pops after cleaning.  And, strangely, the pops on the 1st track are 95% in the right channel.  I thought I had a system problem in my right channel before trying the other LPs.  This recording remains my favorite, and the overall quality is excellent.

Eventually I will get into some decent and very high quality classical music on vinyl, but that really isn't my goal.  I want to find decent recordings of the music that I deeply enjoy.  There is a plethora of older contemporary Christian music that I enjoyed until I found these CD recordings of a very poor quality.

Okay, my first question....

*** Is there variability recoding the LOUD pops on recordings and is it possible these recordings.  Do some recordings have them embedded in the vinyl?

And, my second question....

*** Where do you gents purchase records online?  I found this place http://www.nifty-music.com/niftymusic/default.asp

I think it will be a while before purchase another needle.  I believe the current needle has the potential to perform very nicely.  My next purchase will probably be a phono preamp with some switching.  This way I'll be able to hook up a truly great amplifier into my basement system. 

Overall, I continue to be very pleased with the sound of vinyl :D.  I do think it has potential - especially with those slightly older recordings from my younger years.  My only true complaint is that 1 side of a record is only about 20 minutes.  And, my record player doesn't automatically restart.

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Leave in a new dish rack to air dry. 

Great tip!

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Go to the drug store, and buy two of the brushes that are used to clean under finger nails.

Hmmmm, this makes me curious.  I bet that may common brushes have bristles that a are too large to fit into the groove.

Thanks again for all of your help and insight gents.

Great Tip!!


Wayner

Re: My First Day With a Tolerable Turntable
« Reply #22 on: 29 May 2008, 08:54 pm »
Some vinyl has been "overcooked" when pressed and the the surface of the groove has pits in it. This in permenant damage that no cleaning or repeated playing will fix. Other pops are static electricity and will go away with a few playings. Keep cleaning before each play.

Wayner

Scott F.

Re: My First Day With a Tolerable Turntable
« Reply #23 on: 30 May 2008, 12:46 am »
Interesting anecdote to your loud pops on seemingly clean vinyl....

Though many poo-poo the idea of chemicals and brushes specifically formulated to clean vinyl, they absolutely eliminate all but the worst of the pops and clicks you might be hearing. Case in point, last week I brought home a seemingly pristine copy of Deep Purple's Machine Head. It was a German import. Even under my turntable light it looked super clean with nothing but a very few specs of surface dust. When I dropped the needle on this thing I actually couldn't listen to it there were so many pops and clicks. Needless to say I waltzed over to my record cleaning station, got out my Disc Doctor brushes and started scrubbing (gently). After a double wash, rinse and quick vac-dry with my Nitty Gritty I dropped the needle again...........dead quiet.




Now for years I swore by my el-cheapo cleaning method as it appeared to get the vinyl clean. Trouble was it didn't even come close. When I first got the Disc Doctor brushes and solution I cleaned one of my favorite albums that looked clean but still sounded horrible (Trio San Jose, a little mariachi band from the early 60's). Needless to say, that album got extremely quiet after I cleaned it.

Moral of the story, you can't get down and scrape the crap out the grooves with with any old brush. Doc's brushes are used for polishing optics. The fibers are super fine and don't come off when you scrub with them like some many other cheap felt vinyl brushes I've used.

To Wayners point about over cooking vinyl, yes, I've got some too. Most of it you can see the visible pitting in the surface. On the other hand, I've had very good luck eliminating excessive surface noise on seemingly clean albums by using commercial products. Personally, I'm sold on them and won't clean a record without them.

Just my $.02 and I'm sure many will disagree.

2bigears

Re: My First Day With a Tolerable Turntable
« Reply #24 on: 30 May 2008, 02:18 am »
 :D  that Machine Head is one great disc.which brushes are you guys buying fron DD ?? i'll check their web site.how is the stock brush they supply with VPI machines ?? are they ok ?? thks  Pat :D
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Russell Dawkins

Re: My First Day With a Tolerable Turntable
« Reply #25 on: 25 Jun 2008, 10:19 pm »
Dave - for cleaning, this does seem to be worth looking into:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/gem/dandy.html