BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.

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pubul57

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BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« on: 5 May 2008, 11:57 pm »
I set my EL34s at 14mV per tube. What is the appropriate, comprable setting for 6550s and KT88s. I beleive Roger said 20mV would work fine for KT88s; would that be the same for 6550s? or a little lower?

Roger A. Modjeski

Re: BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« Reply #1 on: 16 May 2008, 04:42 am »
Idling current in any amplifier is a balance between tube life, reliability and sound. Some makers and some listeners want to run them hot as possible. This reduces the life from 10,000 hours to 1,000 hours to as little as a few minutes. Maximum dissipation is the maximum the tube will experience when the line is the highest, load is the worst, etc. When a designer or listener takes his typical and puts it to the max he has made a big mistake. This "mistake" goes back to the 1930s when RCA realized that designers were misusing the max and severely shortening tube life. The tube makers then instituted "design center ratings" so that short sighted engineers would back off from the maximums. In effect the tube makers did the math that the designers should have been doing all the time.

All that being said. I run my tubes at 50% of max dissipation thus giving a lot of grace for situations where everything conspires to overheat the tubes. I round B+ up rather than down and choose round numbers I can do in my head. The B+ in all the RM-9s is 450-475 V so I call that 500V. At 30 mA per tube that's 15 watts. EL-34s are rated at 25 watts dissipation and KT-88/6550 are rated at 40 watts so you can run those at 40 mA safely. Whether the higher current sounds better is entirely up to the listener.

Here I will note that my amplifiers are designed to sound good with these bias levels yet other amplifiers may not. Some designers use high bias current to cure sonic problems. I get good sound in other ways so I can run the tubes cooler than others do. Have a look around at other amplifier bias specs and see what you find.

nurxhunter

Re: BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« Reply #2 on: 4 Aug 2009, 03:34 am »
To my ear, Roger is spot on.  30 ma (maybe up to 34 depending on tube used--NOS or SED) and 40 mA is purrfect for KT88/6550, to my ear.

The voltage on my plates is 475.

All validated with a bias/voltage head probe.

Bhmartin

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Re: BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« Reply #3 on: 11 Nov 2009, 02:51 am »
Roger's post on recommended values states 30 mA per tube for EL-34s and 40 mA per tube for KT-88s/6550s (and presumably KT-90s as well).  Given that the RM-9 series does not have external test points as does the RM-10 and RM-200 series, however, what is the best/safest way to measure these per-tube values?  I ask because I would suppose that the illumination point of the built-in LED bias indicator light is assuming an EL-34 tube.  I do enjoy the convenience of the built-in tube bias and tube balance measuring system, but it would be good to make certain that all is well with settings as I try out tube types beyond the EL-34.  Thanks in advance.

nurxhunter

Re: BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« Reply #4 on: 11 Nov 2009, 03:14 am »
http://www.amp-head.com/

I like the ones from Amp-Head--any one will do.  The dual probe is convenient, and the model that tests plate voltage is also handy.  Use with any multimeter.


Ericus Rex

Re: BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« Reply #5 on: 12 Nov 2009, 01:11 pm »
That is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Will be ordered immediately!

nurxhunter

Re: BIAS Setting RM9SE et.al.
« Reply #6 on: 12 Nov 2009, 01:59 pm »
http://www.amp-head.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=70

I have the MPD tester.  I have found it handy to know the plate voltage from various amps.  Plate voltage (V) X current (mA / 1000) = Power (W)

1W=1V x 1A