Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?

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drystream

Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« on: 18 Apr 2008, 02:17 pm »
Is there any circuitry in AVA amps or preamps that requires use of the front-panel on-off switches?  Or is it OK to plug the units into a switched power strip with surge protection?

TomW16

Re: Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« Reply #1 on: 18 Apr 2008, 02:48 pm »
I can't speak to the other AVA electronics but my AVA FetValve amp has only a fuse between the pwer switch and the plug so another switch further upstream should not have any effect other than having everything power up at the same time.  I typically turn my power amp on last.

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Tom

martyo

Re: Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« Reply #2 on: 18 Apr 2008, 04:48 pm »
I actually have my DAC plugged into the switched outlet on the T8 which would be the same type of situation you describe. My 550 is on a dedicated line and I wait for the "switch" or "click" that everythings jake on the T8 before I turn on the amp. And when I'm shutting down the amp is first and I wait until it is "discharged", 10 seconds or so, before I turn off the T8.

BobM

Re: Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« Reply #3 on: 18 Apr 2008, 04:57 pm »
Some components continue to drain their capacitors after they are switched off. Most power strips only cut off the + AC line, but if it switches off the whole connection to - and ground then this is not a good idea.

Also, if you have several components that are switched on when the power strip is flipped you will encounter a bit of surge through the circuit. For components that have soft startups it is probably not an issue, but for others it might be. Some components, tubed usually, have a 2 step turn on to manually do this soft startup.

Other than that I really don't see much of a problem. But I would still rather control the turn on myself, manually. I am the only person doing this in my system, but if I had others that touched it, like a wife or kids, I might be more tempted to go with the power strip approach.

Enjoy,
Bob

drystream

Re: Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« Reply #4 on: 19 Apr 2008, 02:51 pm »
Thanks for the input guys,

My reasoning for not wanting to use the on/off switches is that they seem like the parts most-prone to fail with use.  In fact, the Ultra 550 has no other moving part, so if I can bypass the switch I'll be happy.

My power strip (conditioner) has a delayed circuit for the amp outlets, so the amp is turned on last and off first.  The Ultra preamp seems to have a soft start, so I should be OK there too.  The only other component that is switched is a DAC1, which doesn't draw much power, so I don't think a surge will be a problem.

As long as Frank doesn't weigh in and say that there could be some damage, I'll give it a try.

Steve 

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Re: Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« Reply #5 on: 19 Apr 2008, 04:05 pm »
There are several issues with using a single power strip to turn on or off the complete system.

The first issue is on or off transients getting to your speakers.  There is time delay protection built into AVA preamps and DACs built over the past several years.  This provides a time delay at turn on so the internal circuits can stabilize before the outputs are connected.  At turn off, the outputs are opened before the audio circuits can decay.  This eliminates the possibility of speaker damaging transients being sent to a power amplifier at turn on or turn off.  However, much other equipment does not have this protection, so the "all on and off at once" scheme with an outlet strip might cause unhappy unexpected results.

The second issue is the power rating of the power strip's AC switch.  Recent AVA power amplifiers use an eighty amp inrush current power switch, protected by a surge current limiter.  This is necessary for the switch to stand up long term from the momentarily surge currents the amplifier generates at turn on. A normal 15 amp power switch as used in most power strips will not have this ruggedness built in. The result will be that the power switch in the AC strip likely will not last very long.

The third issue is putting all the equipment on one power strip can generate an unintended audio feedback loop through the common power line connections. The power amp draws lots of current, and will actually put a tiny version of the audio signal back on its power line.  In a common AC source, this signal will appear at the preamp and other small signal devices too.  Although power line rejection is very good in almost all equipment, it is not perfect.  Thus a unanticipated and unwanted feedback loop may be affecting the music.  Whether this is audible or not we cannot say for sure.  But an easy way to eliminate or reduce the effect is to plug the power amp into a separate wall outlet for further isolation from this possible effect.

Thus we are not very enthused with the turn it all on and off at once AC outlet strip use.  It might not hurt things, be we are not sure about that.  If possible don't do it.

And remember even with the best of circuit protection built in, it is always best to turn your power amplifier on last and off first, so that it is always off when other equipment ahead of it is switched on or off.  This completely eliminates the possibility of annoying transients getting to your speakers from the small signal equipment.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

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Re: Switched power strip OK for turn-on/turn-off?
« Reply #6 on: 19 Apr 2008, 04:18 pm »
Another no B.S. explanation from Frank. Enjoy and get a lot of usefull from Frank's posts.

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