Do I need a new CD player?

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whubbard

Do I need a new CD player?
« on: 31 Mar 2008, 08:49 pm »
Alright.
Well I have a McIntosh MCD7009 right now, and I'm looking at two options.
1) Sell the McIntosh to a vitage junkie, and then buy a new CD or SACD (I only need it for 2 channel.) Then moddify the new player.
2) Modify the McIntosh.

If I were to go with option one I would only use the money made from the McIntosh for buying the new player.

-West

saisunil

Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #1 on: 31 Mar 2008, 08:51 pm »
I highly recommend paul at tuberesearchlabs.com, ask him about the mods. They charged $700 last I checked - the price may have gone up. I won't be surprised if he recommends the current TRL modded Flagship Sony 900.

Good Luck

whubbard

Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #2 on: 31 Mar 2008, 11:43 pm »
Well, it is his company, so that might make sense...but I have heard great things about the TRL/Sony 900.

What do others think about the TRL/Sony 900 vs. McIntosh?

whubbard

Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #3 on: 1 Apr 2008, 06:37 am »
anybody?

JLM

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Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #4 on: 1 Apr 2008, 10:30 am »
There are many good things said about the TRL stuff, but the basic premise of spending $700 to mod a $200 (?) piece seems flawed.  And in general I have a hard time investing heavily into any piece with mechanical transports or transports overall.  Nearly all transports mechanisms are outsourced from the same handful of vendors/models.  The transport in a $200 player probably cost Sony $10 and would be the weak link.

Same can be said of any high end CDP.  Don't know the Mac, but the extreme tolerances needed to extract information from a disc makes mechanical transports very suspectible to wear and therefore failure.  I'm sure McIntosh will stand behind their product for service well into the future, but the advancements in CD technology in the past few years continue to be very significant.  The wear/advancement issues make one piece CDPs look like dinosaurs.

So the most cost effective route has been the cheap mechanical transport with a good DAC.  Example: $170 Oppo universal player, $35 for digital cable, $600 for Channel Islands Audio DAC, $150 for their power supply upgrade provides a very good sound for under $1,000 and provides some of the best sound currently available.  The Oppo hits well beyond its price point, is cheap enough be considered disposable, and is even better suited for the HT if/when you're ready to move on.  This is just an example, you could spend more or less.

Another good option, and obvious wave of the future (that if you're computer savy you'd be ready for now), is using your computer to rip/store music with a wireless music server or wired USB compatible DAC (and use the computer for control).  For instance you can pick up a pair of 500 GB hard drives for $300 (always backup) to store 1200 CDs and the new/very slick $400 Logitech Duet server (mods are being developed as we "speak") or $1250 for a Benchmark USB DAC.  Again, lower priced options exist, but these are all pretty much top drawer stuff.

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Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #5 on: 1 Apr 2008, 10:55 am »
I agree with JLM that the weak link in CDP is the mechanics.  Most cdp are built as disposable pieces not meant to be repaired when something wears out.  I have a Phillips 969 player that I used as a transport with a high quality dac.  I spent alot of money to get it modded, more than the original cost.  The mods did bring the whole system to another level.  Now several years later the Phillips player has deveoped a mechanical glitch and I unable to find anyone who will work on it.  I bought a Denon player as a replacement transport.  Its good, but not nearly as good as the modded Phillips.  I'm thinking of getting the Denon player modded but what happens down the road when it too starts to act up? 

whubbard

Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #6 on: 1 Apr 2008, 02:30 pm »
You all make very good points. All things cosidered I am about 100x better with computers than I am with audio gear, so I think I will just build a simple music server, and have a wireless touchscreen display, and also a good DAC. It will be more expensive than probably whatever I will get for the McIntosh, but I do have some other old McIntosh stuff lying around.

It should be an interesting system once its all done. I know I could use a SB3, and go from there, but I'd rather just have a dedicated server, and leave my faster desktop (its more expensive than all my audio gear  :drool: ) alone.

Sound good?

-West

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Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #7 on: 1 Apr 2008, 04:34 pm »
Here's a couple of links for DIY/computer/audio stuff:

http://www.scott-nixon.com/dac.htm

http://www.hagtech.com/hagusb.html

saisunil

Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #8 on: 1 Apr 2008, 04:42 pm »
I think it boils down to one's preferences.

The Sony 900 player was a flagship unit retailing for $1000.
People have compared the TRL modified Sony 900 player to $20,000 worth of DAC and Transport.

There are many threads...
Here are a couple of random examples:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=31776.0
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl&1142807925&read&keyw&zztrl

Computer Audio is a different world altogether. (I'm learning about it myself)

See what suits you.

Cheers

whubbard

Re: Do I need a new CD player?
« Reply #9 on: 2 Apr 2008, 10:18 pm »
I think that TRL can do some pretty nice mods (I'm talking to Paul via email right now). Yet I still feel like I'm leaning towards a computer. If I use lossless encoding, and then send that right to a very nice DAC, not only will I have SO much more control with a PC, but I will also presumably have the same quality from a TRL modded unit.

Has anyone built a audio PC that would like to share their experiences?
I have built many PCs, but none for specifically audio.

-West