[schw06]

Has anyone had a chance to hear both speakers? I've heard the super 8's and am quite impressed (even more so with the 9's). I am looking for a speaker with transparency, a touch of warmth, non-fatiguing highs, and musicality. Any comments regarding the lorelei's are appreciated.
Dave

[Canyoneagle]

Bump, I'd be curious to hear about this as well.

[mcullinan]

Review of the Lorelei that mentions its tonal quality and also the Devore 8.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/odyssey/lorelei_2.html
Mike

[low.pfile]

Review of the Lorelei that mentions its tonal quality and also the Devore 8.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/odyssey/lorelei_2.html
Mike

I saw that sixmoons review a while back. It was one of the most difficult pieces I have read. I thought I was bad with analogies but that was a tough read.

anyone have a pair of loreleis near me (SF) we can compare.

[mcullinan]

I dont know anyone in SF, I know Satfrat has a pair of Loreleis so you might ask him some questions. He brought them to the rave a while back, I just cant remember exactly what they sounded like, except that they sounded good. Goodly amount of bass I believe.
Mike

[schw06]

   Why Don't I answer my own question for anyone mulling over the 2 speakers. I have subsequently purchased the Lorelei's since writing this post and had spent a significant time with the Super 8's before buying the Lorelei's. My Lorelei's have about 300 hours on them and are still getting better but I can probably tell you about their differences. First of all, the Devores are very easy to drive and very tube friendly. They have excellent transparency and are achingly musical. They are definitely on the lean side and are great for smaller rooms. The Devore 9's have a much fuller presentation and if you hear them side by side you would probably feel like the super 8's are missing something(That is ultimately why I purchased the Lorelei's). Still, these are outstanding speakers and if you go listen to them without comparing a million different speakers you would take them home and be thrilled with your purchase for years!
   Buying the Lorelei's without hearing them was a big leap but I am glad I did. The Lorelei lacks that ultimate transparency of the Devore's but has a much fuller presentation and matches the musicality of the Super 8's. The Lorelei's, in my room, have excellent soundstage depth and image very well. They are the first speaker I have owned that makes me want to listen to all genres of music that I own. Many speakers I've owned in the past were fantastic with one genre but lousy with others (and that's why I've wasted so much money on this hobby). If you are anywhere near Atlanta, feel free to come have a listen. If I had to make the decision again I would buy the Lorelei's and never lose a minute's sleep worrying I made the wrong choice.
Dave

[low.pfile]

It's great that you came back to your thread! So many are just left hanging. Cool that you have your Lorelei's and are listening to music now. Thanks for the update and impressions. What types of music do you favor?
ed

[schw06]

Ed,
   I guess if push comes to shove I'd say more than 50% of what I listen to is rock(mostly classic rock), but this week's cd's laying around include Patricia Barber, Benny Goodman, a Texas swing compilation, Allison Kraus, Zero 7(British alternative), and Miles Davis. Now that I've got some good hours on the Lorelei's I've been resurrecting albums I haven't listen to in years. It's really done a nice job with each!
Dave

[pardales]

Can you describe your placement of the Lorelei's in your room?

[low.pfile]

Ed,
   I guess if push comes to shove I'd say more than 50% of what I listen to is rock(mostly classic rock), but this week's cd's laying around include Patricia Barber, Benny Goodman, a Texas swing compilation, Allison Kraus, Zero 7(British alternative), and Miles Davis. Now that I've got some good hours on the Lorelei's I've been resurrecting albums I haven't listen to in years. It's really done a nice job with each!
Dave

Cool. For me knowing the type of music puts one's opinions on speakers/components in perspective. I am familiar with all you list and own half.

[low.pfile]

Can you describe your placement of the Lorelei's in your room?

Speaking of placement. the super 8's are particular to placement as well. In my 13 x 19 ft living room my placement (on 13 ft wall-biased to right side) - the right speaker about 2 ft from the side wall, and both are about 1.75 ft from rear wall, 7.5 ft apart. Toeing in is necessary if one desires optimal imaging and having the speaker disappear. Even the use of footers for the spikes have an affect on the sound for me (hardwood floor)....more lower midrange is present without the footers I tried. Didn't audition the Nines as I wanted minimize the hit to my wallet.

ed

[satfrat]

     Buying the Lorelei's without hearing them was a big leap but I am glad I did. The Lorelei lacks that ultimate transparency of the Devore's but has a much fuller presentation and matches the musicality of the Super 8's. The Lorelei's, in my room, have excellent soundstage depth and image very well. They are the first speaker I have owned that makes me want to listen to all genres of music that I own. Many speakers I've owned in the past were fantastic with one genre but lousy with others (and that's why I've wasted so much money on this hobby). If you are anywhere near Atlanta, feel free to come have a listen. If I had to make the decision again I would buy the Lorelei's and never lose a minute's sleep worrying I made the wrong choice.
Dave

Ya'know Dave, I couldn't have described the Lorelei sound any better. Fuller presentation, soundstage depth, imaging, all gendres of music,,,,,, that about sums up my thoughts to a tee. For placement in my 11' x 17' x 7' room, I have my main Lorelei's 39" from the front wall to the back of the loudspeaker and 19" from the side walls with enough toe-in so they come together about 7' from behind my chair.(I can only do that as I have a dining room adjoining my listening room with a 1/2 wall partion inbetween. I think the Lorelei's need to be placed away from that fromt wall in order to extablish that soundstage depth & imaging and definitely to help minimize muddying the bass from them rear ports. I use to have them closer together, like 2' from the side walls but when I placed Jim Goulding's Diffractionbegone woolies around the tweeters, I was able to spread them out further apart & closer to the walls w/o any wall interference. Against what I heard from a few others at Toprounds RAVE gathering (where I brought a pair of Lorelei's) about these woolie's,, I highly recommend them. They'll improve your imaging a lot IMHO.

ps, I also highly recommend Sistrum Platforms 004 for the Lorelei's.

Cheers,
Robin

[Canyoneagle]

My interest is piqued.  aa
I am absolutely LOVING my MaxHemps, but am finding that they really like (and excel with) REEEEEALLY well recorded material.  Unfortunately, in my experience, they are not forgiving of lower quality recordings (to the extent of being unlistenable).

I am in no hurry for new speakers, but this hobby keeps my eyes constantly peeled .

I noticed that despite the lower sensitivity of the Lorelei, the amplifier recommendations seem to accommodate my Sig 30.2

I'd love to hear a pair of these!

[rajacat]

Try using some tubes with the Hemps; at least a tube preamp.

-Roy

[Jobman]

I saw that sixmoons review a while back. It was one of the most difficult pieces I have read. I thought I was bad with analogies but that was a tough read.

anyone have a pair of loreleis near me (SF) we can compare.
[/quote]

My name is Mike and I live just east of SF in Vallejo.  I am new to this board, but not audio.
I recieved my Loreleis and my Mono Extreme SE's about 3 weeks ago from Klaus. Custom black finish. (Klaus said he would not make anymore as they are a PITA)

They have been playing constantly since then. I just returrned from a week long trip in Portland, ORE. I can certainly tell a difference in the sound from when I left. My wife was rocking out to them all week while I was gone. She loves them!
I will admit to not having the best placement though. Due to family and other constraints, they are in the same room as my HT system. Not a part of it, but along side. Not the best for soundstage and imaging, but they still do an awesome job.

Anyway, if you want to come take a listen, you are more than welcome. Bring some tunes and I'll supply the vino or brew.

[lazydays]

I saw that sixmoons review a while back. It was one of the most difficult pieces I have read. I thought I was bad with analogies but that was a tough read.

anyone have a pair of loreleis near me (SF) we can compare.

My name is Mike and I live just east of SF in Vallejo.  I am new to this board, but not audio.
I recieved my Loreleis and my Mono Extreme SE's about 3 weeks ago from Klaus. Custom black finish. (Klaus said he would not make anymore as they are a PITA)

They have been playing constantly since then. I just returrned from a week long trip in Portland, ORE. I can certainly tell a difference in the sound from when I left. My wife was rocking out to them all week while I was gone. She loves them!
I will admit to not having the best placement though. Due to family and other constraints, they are in the same room as my HT system. Not a part of it, but along side. Not the best for soundstage and imaging, but they still do an awesome job.

Anyway, if you want to come take a listen, you are more than welcome. Bring some tunes and I'll supply the vino or brew.


[/quote]

I have a pair of Lorelies, and the only thing I've heard to compair with them is the Maggie 3.6's and 20.1's. The bass is huge with them, and more powerfull than the 3.6's. I like them better than Thiels even though there are things about Thiels I love. In the review the writer speaks of something 25 hz on the bottom side of the scale. I'd like to think it's closer to 28hz to 30hz, but have some organ music to play that really goes deep in the register to try sometime this weekend. One otherthing I've noticed about them is that they are not quite as brite as some of the live music I've heard in the past (same group with the same tunes). I didn't notice the bloom in the mids that a lot of people speak of, and if it's there it's nothing like my Meadowlarks I replaced with them. The speakers are very detailed and musical with the high end being a little tight ( mine have about 300 hours on them). I'm hopeing that the tweeter further opens up some more. They're not perfect for sure, but none really are. Might actually reduce the size of the port slightly to cut the bass a bit (I'm not a bass nut).
    To further add to the above, I have not run my copy of Frank Glover's "Politico" to do my upper end of the register test in awhile. This one played well with my Meadowlarks, and did a fine job with both the wood bodied clarinet and the metal bodied ones he used (good enough that I culd pick them out). This CD is one the the most difficult clarinet pieces I've ever played (he may well be the best clarinet player out there right now), and will seperate good speakers from also rans.
gary

[machinehead]

Gary, Can you comment on how small you made the rear port? 

I have tried extended the port about 10" beyond the rear speaker to cut the bass, but I still have some problem
and can't pull them away from the rear wall anymore, so I am looking a way to tune the rear ports more.

Thanks.

[stereo5]

I too had a problem with having my speakers too close to the rear wall.  In my case, It's the Kismet reference speakers.  I solved the problem by putting a 2 inch thick slab of black granite under the speaker with the speakers supported on the best cones Adona makes.  It took out that last bit of boominess and I now have a perfect balance from deep bass to extreme treble.  Previously, I tried blocking the port with foam and a sock, but the method I am using now is the best.

Bob

[satfrat]

I have my Lorelei's 41" from my front wall (measured to the back of the Lorelei). I use Sistrum Platform SP-004 under all 4 of my Lorelei's, really brought out the clarity & helped tighten up the bass. 
 

 
Sitting 3.5" off the floor on a platform of apposing triangle cones do make for some instability. Not an issue for me,,, no kids and my Aussie's well trained. 
 
Cheers,
Robin

[lazydays]

Gary, Can you comment on how small you made the rear port? 

I have tried extended the port about 10" beyond the rear speaker to cut the bass, but I still have some problem
and can't pull them away from the rear wall anymore, so I am looking a way to tune the rear ports more.

Thanks.

honestly, I have not come up with a plan yet. I was going to build a foam plug to shrink it, but now have second thoughts. When you extended the ports, did you notice a difference in the upper bass and lower mid range? Also did you loose any warmth in the mids? Looking back at the basic design, I wish the box was front ported, and used two 5.5" or 6" drivers with a completely different tweeter (I'm now thinking the tweeter is lacking in transparency). I know that I'm on the new speaker hunt again
gary