Sapphire v.s. Dynaudio Focus 140 - and why is the XLC 3-Way? (Force Owner)

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ht_nut

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Hi Folks,

I'm a happy owner of a Force (that sub is great).  I'm looking for some bookshelves for a new room and after extensive listening really liked the Dynaudio Focus 140 series.  Has anyone every compared them to the Sapphire XL? 

Also - this may be for Mike - but I was curious as to why the matching XLC center was a 3-way design while the XL's are 2 way? 

Best,

Mike

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Also - this may be for Mike - but I was curious as to why the matching XLC center was a 3-way design while the XL's are 2 way? 


IMO, it is because a center channel speaker with a vertical tweeter and mid arrangement is much better match than a side by side center (a design compromise (mostly), made more for looks and cost than function).
Many companies top center speakers are made with a vertical tweeter and mid.
Of course 3 identical speakers is the best way to go if you can.

Lin

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Ah, the Focus 140 versus the Sapphire XL. That's one hell of a match.

Both speakers can play any genre of music well.  "Jack of all trades", if you will.
Both speakers possess great dynamic range for their size/price.
Both speakers aim for neutrality, yet maintain distinct color


Subjectively speaking;

I feel the Dynaudio Esotar2 is tremendously superior to the Scan Speak 9500 found in the XL
By Contrast, I prefer the sound of the Revelator woofer over the classic Dynaudio caste driver
The Focus 140 has a slight, yet distinct edge in terms of clean dynamic output
The Sapphire XL will have the edge in terms of rendering more natural tones, particularly of the woodwind/acoustic variety
The Sapphire XL has the edge in versatility - being able to perform well on low power tube amps. The Focus 140 prefers transistor love
Both of speakers take on a dark perspective; the XL being softer around the edges than the Focus 140 - which is a bit more forward
The Dynaudio 140 has the edge with high end articulation (detail, tone, micro dynamics)

The Sapphire XL has the unusual ability to balance itself between audiophile attributes and consistent musical flow. At this class of product, thats a rare thing. Throw in its great dynamic range, build, and versatility - and well, you have all the reasons why we gave it the 2007 Product of the Year award at Affordable Audio. The only downside to the XL is that it is produced over-seas. I'm sure Mike will not appreciate my sentiment.  :lol:

The Focus 140 reigns in that the consumer-direct market does not hold a distinctive edge over mainstream competition in this class. The Focus 140 is a tremendous performer that gives the XL a run for its money. Considering that you are getting a speaker that is still made in Denmark and can be found in dealers across the globe (read; local support), it is a wonderful value.

Ultimately though, I'd say neither is inherently better than the other.  Both have their own unique voice, its just a matter of comparing them and determining which voice appeals to your ears.

Good luck!

PS/EDIT:  Since you already own the Force - I'd suggest going with the XL for a sure match in tone...   :thumb:

ht_nut

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What an incredibly helpful and detailed reply! Thanks - although I'm not sure it made the decision any easier!

Zero

ht_nut

Lets try to make this a bit easier (if possible)...   Do you have a large room to fill? Will this be used for strictly stereo? If so - what kinda music do you like? What components currently make up your existing system ?

ht_nut

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ht_nut

Lets try to make this a bit easier (if possible)...   Do you have a large room to fill? Will this be used for strictly stereo? If so - what kinda music do you like? What components currently make up your existing system ?


The room is 12'Wx24'Lx10'H open to a kitchen about 75% that size on the left.  So decently big, yes.   This is for 50/50 HT/Music.  Like mostly rock and acoustic folk music.   

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I have owned Dynaudios and ACI's.  I've listened to both extensively.  IMO, in your situation, I'd take the Sapphire XL's in a heartbeat.

Bryan
« Last Edit: 24 Mar 2008, 01:10 am by bpape »

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Ht_Nut,

ACI gives you a 30 day trial period.  Bring home a set of Sapphire XL's and listen for yourself. Not only will you get to hear them in your own room and gear - you should also have the chance to directly compare them to the Focus 140. Since the opportunity is there - I'd take it!


« Last Edit: 23 Mar 2008, 10:27 pm by Zero »

musicman06

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If you do want to audition the Sapphire XL's you should get your order in before the free shipping deadline tomorrow, then at least you'd only be on the hook for return shipping should you choose the Dynaudios. I don't think you can go wrong with either, so I'd likely just pick the better deal... that said you know you're always going to wonder so hurry up and place the order.  :duh:

Mike Dzurko

Good morning!

Ht Nut, Lin did a great job explaining why a vertically oriented mid-tweeter array is the best way to go. We've been doing it this way for many, many years and will continue to do so. Horizontal MTM centers have a totally wrong dispersion pattern and won't provide a very good match to any main speakers . . .  and their frequency response gets worse as you sit off-center, one of the very reasons for having a center in the first place. The XLC is a great match to the XLs . . .  the ScanSpeak midrange and a crossover that took almost two years to perfect are just two of the reasons this is such an incredible center.

"The only downside to the XL is that it is produced over-seas. I'm sure Mike will not appreciate my sentiment.  Laughing "

Yes, you were a bit prophetic about my reaction. That's fine because it gives me the chance to clarify something. The XLs are built right here in West Salem, WI. from parts sourced from all over the world. We assemble the hard-wired crossovers, we install the precision internal damping materials, and then install the drivers. THEN each completed unit is tested and measured against the reference before it is packaged and shipped to the happy owner. We're able to have virtually 100% QC right here. And that is a BIG difference from having them built overseas as many companies do.

Dynaudio builds a fine product, but in this case I think the choice is not close :)

Zero

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Yes, you were a bit prophetic about my reaction. That's fine because it gives me the chance to clarify something.

You're welcome!  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

ajayrav

But wait, aren't Dynaudios made overseas- in Denmark???  :lol:

BTW, are there any speakers ENTIRELY made in the US?  That is everything from crossover components to drivers to wire to cabinets.  I'm having a tough time coming up with one....

Ajay
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