Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?

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low.pfile

Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« on: 23 Feb 2008, 07:45 am »
When the discussion about having an Apple AC circle, one example given was Hard Drives that work well with Macs would be different than PCs

So, I am running without backup insurance on my Mac music server*. I need to remedy that sooner than later! For 1 year I've had a single 500GB Lacie Big Book d2 HD that has been great, no issues - just a little platter/spindle noise lately. I use the FW800 connection. It is dedicated for music (mostly AIFF format)

I want to buy a very reliable backup external drive (and eventually a second identical backup) which will be located in the music listening area. While I am concerned about noticeable fan and disk noise, a am also a little concerned that fanless drives seem to a little less reliable--but no real proof is out there.  I will backup using an application like SuperDuper. I really don't need a RAID solution but would consider one if appealing.

My criteria: 750 GB or 1TB, USB or FW, reliable!, quiet!, nice simple/clean and modern enclosure design
(i.e. no chrome, crazy LED patterns, or animal carvings)

To date, my top choices are:

1. G-Tech's  G-DRIVE™ 1TB @ $539  (750GB @ $400)
> Expensive, but nothing but positive reviews on this brand, uses hitachi drives and fanless.
> http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-DRIVE.cfm

2. Seagate FreeAgent™ Pro 750GB - USB 2.0 @ $200
> even though GB per $$ is dropping this price seems too inexpensive
> design is a bit too flashy for me
>http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=freeagent-pro-750gb-usb2.0-esata-external-hd&vgnextoid=590e26bbdae90110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=03d5368407f70110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&reqPage=Model

3. Seagate 3.5-Inch Pushbutton Backup HD 750GB @ $300
> older model, seems hard to find
>http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=3.5-PB-750-USB-FW&vgnextoid=0baf19e0babfd010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&vgnextchannel=c0fed21c2f32b010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD&reqPage=Model

Anyone have hands on experience with these Hard Drives above or have other recommendations which would fit my needs?

Things I passed on for one reason or more:
     
- NetGear ReadyNAS NV+ 2TB > Cons: @ $1600....expensive
- Data Robotics DROBO, > cons: Rev 1.0 product, lots of failures, $500 for just the enclosure, add drives. Loud.
- Lacie Big Book 1TB > cons: too many bad reviews about crashing and data loss. I am feeling very luck with my current Big book though.

Thanks, ed


* Currently my music server is a Power Mac G5 2.3ghz Dual PPC with iTunes with a 500GB Lacie Big Book d2 HD, but may change to Mac mini core2 duo next year.

« Last Edit: 23 Feb 2008, 09:05 am by low.pfile »

Crimson

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #1 on: 23 Feb 2008, 12:03 pm »
FWIW, I place reliability higher on the requirement scale than fan/disc noise levels. That said, to date (knock on wood) I have had zero issues with the firewire solutions from OWC (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/) and the noisy NAS drives from Buffalo (http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/). I've used external drives from Lacie, WD, Seagate, and Maxtor with varying results reliability-wise.


PhilNYC

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #2 on: 23 Feb 2008, 12:55 pm »
FWIW, I place reliability higher on the requirement scale than fan/disc noise levels. That said, to date (knock on wood) I have had zero issues with the firewire solutions from OWC (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/) and the noisy NAS drives from Buffalo (http://www.buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/). I've used external drives from Lacie, WD, Seagate, and Maxtor with varying results reliability-wise.



I'll second the recommendation for OWC drives.  I have three 500GB OWC Mercury Pro Classic firewire drives daisy-chained together...they are silent and reliable.  Prior to getting them (2 of them 2 years ago, 1 of them recently to use with Time Capsule backup on Leopard), I had gone thru an insane number of Maxtor drives that all died after about a year.

For 750GB, you'd need to get the Mercury Elite:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/external/elite-al-pro-quad


orthobiz

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #3 on: 23 Feb 2008, 07:19 pm »
I'll THIRD the recommendation for OWC macsales.com

Their drives are Mac friendly and rock solid reliable. I've had several over the years with a total of ZERO issues.

biz

low.pfile

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #4 on: 23 Feb 2008, 07:23 pm »
Great input. Thanks for the heads up on OWC. I had forgotten about those guys. I know that the company overall is very reputable.
cheers, ed

low.pfile

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #5 on: 24 Feb 2008, 01:58 am »

Thing on this over the weekend. just size and i/o choice.

UPDATE. To date, my top choices are:

1. OWC Mercury Elite-AL Pro  750GB @ $250
> 7200RPM Oxford 934 FireWire 400 & USB2 External Complete Solution
> great reviews on reliability, great warranty, clean design, reasonable cost
> fyi to folks who don't know about Other World Computing, their customer service is stellar!
> http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/external/elite-al-pro-quad


2. G-Tech's  G-DRIVE™ 1TB @ $539  (750GB @ $400)
> Expensive, but nothing but positive reviews on this brand, uses hitachi drives and fanless.
> http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-DRIVE.cfm

3. Seagate FreeAgent™ Pro 750GB - USB 2.0 @ $200
> even though GB per $$ is dropping this price seems too inexpensive
> design is a bit too flashy for me
>http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?locale=en-US&name=freeagent-pro-750gb-usb2.0-esata-external-hd&vgnextoid=590e26bbdae90110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=03d5368407f70110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD&reqPage=Model


Thanks again crimson and phil !!!!

cheers, ed


low.pfile

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #6 on: 26 Mar 2008, 03:55 am »
WITH PICS.....

Here is a follow-up on my hard drive choice for my Mac iTunes music server:

   Other World Computing (OWC) Mercury Elite Pro 750GB @ $250US
   7200RPM Oxford 934 FireWire 400 & USB2
   http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-drives/external/elite-al-pro-quad
 
I purchased two 750GB drives: one primary and one back-up. These are used as dedicated for music storage for iTunes playback. I had been using the Lacie Big Disk d3 500GB (FW 800) , without any backup for over 1 year. Now at 300GBs of AIFF music (325 artists/520 Albums) I decided to be smart and backup the tunes. Though I had NO problems with my Lacie Big Disk, except for an occasional platter spin whine, I wanted to go with another brand--I read too many stories of Lacie HD failures.

I am using SuperDuper, from those great folks at ShirtPocket, as the automated back-up utility. So far so good.

First thoughts on the OWC Mercury Elite Pro 750GB drives....
My first reaction is that they are quiet. They may have a fan, but they are nearly silent even with a macbook pro. The G5 sound is louder than the OWC drives so I have no issue. I tried to measure the sound but it is less the the RadioShack meter's lowest setting 60db (at 1m). As a reference, the OWC drives are about 50% as quiet as the Lacie. I think nearly everyone would accept this level of noise, even if the drive was located in the listening area.

I transferred the AIFF files using iTunes functionality (assign a new library folder location and "Consolidate library") without a hitch.

Out-Of-Box
OWC provides both FW and USB cables. There is a disc with Hard Disc Tools and backup software--. There is a standard power block that is needed to operate the OWM Mercury HD.  Easy to use. It was plug and play. Documentation present as well.

In Use
I am using the FW400 direct cable connection to my G5 Mac. My first powered impression was: Uber bright LEDs! The Power/Read-Write LED on the OWC Mercury is a bare leaded LED that is visible through the front air perforation holes. Because the LED seems to be operatting with little/no resistor the bright Blue LED floods my dimly lighted room in blue light. This brightness is not desirable and might even be a problem for someone who positions their HD at eye level on their desk. It is really bright! See my photos for a comparison to the very acceptable Lacie Big Book LED.

LEDs
Finally, the last area is the LED functionality (not relevant to brightness). I have to compare it to my Lacie Big Book HD....

The Lacie Big Book works like this:
Power applied to drive and Computer OFF or in SLEEP: LED=OFF
Power applied to drive and Computer ON: LED=ONlow
Power applied to drive and Computer ON and HD read-write: LED=ONhigh (intermittent)

The OWC Mercury's LED works like this:
Power applied to drive and Computer OFF or in SLEEP: LED= ON
Power applied to drive and Computer ON: LED=ONhigh
Power applied to drive and Computer ON and HD read-write: LED=ONhigher(intermittent)

So the OWC LED remains ON even when the computer is sleeping or OFF. Therefore, you need to turn off the Power switch(rear) to power off the LED. I don't see any preferences to change this behavior. And since it is very bright I find this annoying. I would prefer the Lacie implementation.

I hope the reliability of the OWC drives offsets the other issues I mention above. I can't comment on reliability since it has been less than 1 month since these have been installed.

I hope this give a little insight into Mac storage options, since very little is available on the subject. Since I purchase mine there is a 1TB version of the USB2/FW400 version (lower cost than the eSata/FW800/USB2 combo)

Fit and finish of enclosure
I will limit my comments to the exterior enclosure...breaking the seal voids the warranty. The HD case/enclosure looks very compatible with Apple's design scheme. simple case simple hole pattern. Though upon closer examination it was easy to see that the perforation pattern has flaws the holes are staggered which makes the pattern uneven--from 3 feet this is not noticeable, but from 10 inches it is noticeable. This is simply a result of cheap metal tooling. The enclosure is an aluminum extrusion with metal end plates. The paint finish is very good and matches Apple's silver color scheme. The brand and model is subtly present on the side case.



All of my OWC Mercury Hard Drive IMAGES here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;area=browse;album=1398 Note the drives are not normally located on the subwoofer, this was for the photo's only!

Enjoy your music, ed
« Last Edit: 26 Mar 2008, 03:04 pm by low.pfile »

snoogly

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Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #7 on: 12 Apr 2008, 08:17 pm »
Yes indeed, the blue light on the OWC drives is way too bright. My drives are located under my TV, and I had to cover the lights with some sturdy black tape. Enough light leaks out from the edges of the tape to let me know if the drive is on or not. Other than that, the drives are great. Mine are noisy when resacanning my SqeezeCenter database, but that may more down to the hard drive itself than the OWC case.

bcretty

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Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #8 on: 12 Apr 2008, 10:35 pm »
I just picked up a 750g lacie D2 Quadra hd and absolutely love it. There's no fan in the pro model. http://www.buy.com/prod/lacie-d2-quadra-hard-drive-750gb-7200rpm-serial-ata-300-external-sata/q/loc/101/206783261.html
Enjoy.
Brian

rblnr

Re: Reliable large cap. ext Hard Drives- Mac iTunes?
« Reply #9 on: 14 Apr 2008, 01:51 pm »
macgurus.com is another great source for drives -- they use Seagate and Hitachi mechanisms, and their enclosures are bulletproof. I've captured and stored several TBs of video on their drives over the years w/o incident and they are the most knowledgeable people I've ever dealt with for all things Mac and drive related.