thoughts on pro gear

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beat

thoughts on pro gear
« on: 5 Oct 2003, 09:34 pm »
Hello all,
What are your thoughts/feelings toward using pro audio stuff for home? Such as amps with 1400 watts of power, electronic xovers and the like?

tom1356

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« Reply #1 on: 5 Oct 2003, 09:54 pm »
As someone listening to a very loud 8 watts per channel, I need to ask the inevitable query.
What?...how?. no that's not it...
Why...yes, that's it... why would you possibly need 1400 watts?
Pissing contest?
That's fine if it is, I just don't want you to be under the impression it is necessary or better.
What did you have in mind?

nathanm

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« Reply #2 on: 5 Oct 2003, 10:06 pm »
Pro gear is obviously designed with different goals than home gear and should be judged accordingly, but I like it for its no-nonsense factor, its durability and the usability of the controls and connectors.  Pro gear marketing copy doesn't sound like it was written by a failed romantic novelist unlike much of the hifi world.  It's not always the most attractive looking stuff for the average living room, but it performs its job well.  

With pro gear I feel like a great yoke of silliness has been lifted off my back.  Not really anything specific, just a feeling I get.

JohnR

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« Reply #3 on: 6 Oct 2003, 12:21 am »
The issues for domestic use are fan noise, the need for adapters or different cables, and input/output levels.

Other than that, I think it's the usual story, how does it sound?

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« Reply #4 on: 6 Oct 2003, 06:38 am »
Quote from: beat
Hello all,
What are your thoughts/feelings toward using pro audio stuff for home? Such as amps with 1400 watts of power, electronic xovers and the like?


In general, pro gear is well made, I'd say a notch above the home audio overall (hats off to exceptions to this rule), but much more to the point, it is made in a more sane manner than competing home gear. By that, I mean the money has not gone into bells and whistles, but where it really counts.

How it sounds is a different story. I don't see why you would ever need 1,400 watts of power unless you are into sound reinforcement. For home use, including home cinema, you are not likely to actually need something between 100 and 200 watts per channel at most, and that's assuming you have fairly inefficient speakers.

Most pro gear uses balanced (XLR) lines, wbich is not the usual home thing, but can be accommodated for by using adapters (not recommended unless you know what you are doing) or buying home gear with balanced line, not necessarily implying exorbitantly priced stuff.

Electronic crossovers are probably the best kind of crossovers there are. The reason is simple - they work with small signals, low voltages and even lower currents, and thus do not require dicey components like big inductors (they simulate inductors using op amps, but then these have feedbacks, so they come out much cleaner than classic industors). On the down side, electronic XOs require multiple amplifiers to make sense, and corresponding speakers must not have additional crossovers.

There are practical aspects to think about as well. One is, as John pointed out, the fan noise from high power amps; you do not need to have this, but then you are talking about VERY heavy, VERY EXPENSIVE power amps with much passive heatsinking. True, there are noisy and silent fans, but they are still fans. Then, pro audio gear is free of gimmicks like one inch thick front plates, etc, they concentrate on the function not form, and can be aesthetically less than pleasing.

All that notwithstanding, there's pro audio and pro audio, some is better than others, and in the end, you still have to audition it to know how it sounds. As in all audio.

Cheers,
DVV

beat

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« Reply #5 on: 6 Oct 2003, 10:03 pm »
thanks for your opinions guys,
the reason I ask is I've been hanging out with an engineer friend of mine "helping" him mix some albums and we get to talking about gear. He likes to run a few tubes in the studio but likes SS for playback..He just put together a really sweet studio. Anyway, he gave me this mackie 700w/ch amp to play with so I can set up an electronic xover. I like the idea of not having to run a passive xover network but am reluctant to run out and find an affordable pro 3 way cross as a gamble. My amps would be a tubed integrated at 40w for the tweets, a SS 100w for the mids (no gain control), then the 700w mackie (there is gain control) for the subs...could that work? One nice thing about the mackie is it looks like there is a built in sub xover so maybe I would only need a two way???

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« Reply #6 on: 7 Oct 2003, 02:03 pm »
Quote from: nathanm
...Pro gear marketing copy doesn't sound like it was written by a failed romantic novelist unlike much of the hifi world....


So true.  I don't have a technical background and its extremely frustrating to wade through pages of pseudo-science.