Is the Denon DL-103 an "upgrade" from an Ortofon OM 20 Super?

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Jonathan

'Table is an old NAD 533; Quicksilver phono.

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Jon

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Can't say specifically (don't know the gear), but in general, absolutely!

Rocket

Hi,

I used an ortofon om 20 (not super) and the denon dl103 is a lot better.

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Rod

nu2toobs

Your turntable is basically a Rega P2.  You will want to add some mass to the arm to make things more compatible.  I have a Rega P3-24 and a DL 103R matched with a UWE wood body and a Technoweight.  This is a very good combo.

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Hopefully I'll try a DL-103 whenever it's time to get rid of the DL-110 I have now.

I have no complaints even with the lower-end Denon cart, though :)

Jonathan

You will want to add some mass to the arm to make things more compatible. 

Not really sure how one would go about this. Suggestions?

Thanks.

Jon

JimJ

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Maybe a little piece of butyl dampening sheet, like what's used to mass-load metal panels in car audio installation...don't know though.

I think J.A. Mitchell uses a type of foam in their modified RB-250 version to increase the mass slightly.


Berndt

Herbies also has some tone arm dampers that would have the effect of adding mass if yopur counterweight can balance it still...

giantsteps


 YES

 Frank

nu2toobs

You will want to add some mass to the arm to make things more compatible. 

Not really sure how one would go about this. Suggestions?

Thanks.

Jon
Sorry it took so long to get back to you.  I use a Michell Techno Weight and I installed a UWE wood body to my 103R.  This is probably more than you want to spend, but the Techno weight is a worthwhile upgrade no matter what cartridge you're using.   The wood body isn't a must but it improved the sound of the 103R to a new level.

Arlequen

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I think J.A. Mitchell uses a type of foam in their modified RB-250 version to increase the mass slightly.



Yes that's true .. I own a Michell Tecnoarm and a part holes inside there is foam

TheChairGuy

I think with the Michell Techno upgrade of the Rega RB250 that by stripping the arm of the black powder coat, and drilling out the underside of the arm pretty much equals the mass of the foam they add inside the arm. 

Unless otherwise uninformed (wouldn't be the first time! :wink:), the mass of the Techno is in the range of the RB250 at about 12 grams.

I could be getting the Origin Live Silver mods confused with this info however (they do much the same in drilling out, stripping off the black powder coat and filling with foam).

The Origin Live arms are 14 grams...truly a medium mass arm at that weight (better suited to most moving coils, than MM/MI's).  The Techno should swing well with both MM and most MC's if it's still around 12 grams.

John

Arlequen

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Hello Chair,

How's life? long time I don't follow this forum :(
Telling the true I have been a little bored about hi-fi but maybe now I'm getting a new flame...
By the way I own the OL Silver Arm too .. the first release and now I want to send it to OL to be modified into the new MKII
I bought the Tecnoarm cos I want to try it on my SL1210 so I 'll ask OL to send me also the arm base for SL1200-Rega mount than I 'll unbox the Michell baby
I saw you tried twice .. one with Rega 250 and one now with OL Emperor
Are you happy?

TheChairGuy

Hi arlequen  :wave:

Ah, summer is coming and Italy is too beautiful to spend indoors listening to music.  We understand  :wink:

The Rega arms, in any of it's various forms, are just good arms  :thumb:

As for me, I added the Origin Live tonearm board to accommodate any Rega clone and lived with it and a variety of cartridges for 2+ months.  I went from a Rega 250 with Incognito and Expressimo Heavyweight to a Origin Live Illustrious Mk. III tonearm ($3K new here in US  :o).  It sounded nice, with deep bass.....but there was always a little stridency to the music, no matter the tonearm, set-up procedure or tonearm used.

I went back to my $100 JVC QL-F6 direct drive deck and near perfect sounds again the past (approximately) 2 months.  It's dang well near perfect with the Grado's due to it's internal oil-damping in both vertical and horizontal planes.  Believe me, I wanted the Technics to best it as I spent nearly $2K for deck and arm.  But, the $100.00 JVC (with elbow grease and maybe $200 in enhancements) beat it in my system.

At the risk of getting my l'il Greek butt flamed (it's mostly flame-retardant by now I think  :flame:), I have to say that the ultimate downfall of the Technics 1200 into 'top-tier' status deck is NOT the tonearm, as many surmise.  It's the drive system, or construction/isolation...but it's not the arm. 

I never heard the standard OEM arm on it as it was busted from the get-go, but the OL Illustrious, in particular, is a top-notch arm and no reviewer has ever mentioned any harshness in connection with it on a variety of good audiophool decks out there. It sounds swell on my VPI HW-19 Mk. III...but that deck has other issues (namely drowsy speed control)

So, the Technics SL-1200 Mk. II is a fine $500 deck, and is worthy of the many KAB upgrades are worthwhile to improve aspects if it's performance but, there are other decks both for more money and less (used) that will best it's performance, overall.

There ya' go - it's out now.  May ye' take heed of my 'delicate' butt that deserves neither flaming nor spanking for speaking my beliefs and observations  :D

John