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Zheeeem

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Re: speaker recommendation
« Reply #20 on: 15 Feb 2008, 12:00 am »

And Zheeeem, you loved your Maggie Tympanis enough to keep them over 30 years, but you found that the MMGs suck?  :o  To each their own, I guess!

People need to realize that Maggies are not just a plug and play speaker. If you aren't willing to take the time to learn about them and set them up properly, then you're better off not even bothering.

Well the tympanis were great speakers in the 70s.  Not exactly state of the art by the 90s.  My wife always liked them more than I did, so I rebuilt them and put them in the HT (which is her space).  To tell the truth, I wanted to throw them out.  But the tympanis do sound better than the MMGs.

After >30 years, I've learned how to set up maggies properly.

ajzepp

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« Reply #21 on: 15 Feb 2008, 12:01 am »
Ah, okay, so you just aren't crazy about Maggies to begin with. No speaker is for everyone, but I've never come across someone who really liked one model (of Magnepans) but hated another.

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« Reply #22 on: 16 Feb 2008, 12:23 pm »
In the $500 range, look into the X series from AV123, Infinity Primus series, and PSB Audio T Series floorstanders.

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« Reply #23 on: 17 Feb 2008, 04:38 pm »
Years ago in my Jensens Stereo Shop days, before AVA, my partner and I built and sold our own loudspeakers.  It was in the day of cheap speakers being pushed at the chain audio stores when that was big business.

Our claim to fame then was wired Dynakits for the factory wired price (we could build them really fast) and our famous SONIC EIGHT loudspeakers.

These were my partner, Paul Jensen's, design; a pretty darn nice two way piece using a whizzer cone 8" woofer and a 3" paper cone tweeter, and a really complex crossover network - - -  a single capacitor in series with the tweeter.  :)  No help from Dennis Murphy then.

The speaker was about 12" x 10" x 24" in size.  The critical part of Paul's cabinet design was to have nothing left over from a 4 x 8 sheet of 3/4 inch plywood than some sawdust.  He was a penny pincher and that was the reason we did pretty well.  The sawdust he saved and burned for winter heat.

The Sonic Eight was built completely with UNFINISHED raw external grade plywood, knotholes and splinters and all.  It has a lovely cane type grillcloth.  The customer had to do whatever finishing they wished.

We sold them for all of $55.00 a pair and they were way better sounding than the chain store pieces at four times that price, but we will admit were not quite as attractive.  We sold them as fast as we could build them to college students and the like.

Paul brought me one pair to go to a young married couple.  I noticed this pair actually had the big stamp "Class A-D plywood" or something like that done right across the top surface of one speaker.  I asked Paul why he had not sanded that off.  He answered, "thats finishing" enough said.

The reason for my narative is that perhaps you guys could convince Jim Salk (www.salksound.com) to build some of his new lovely Songtowers for you out of unfinished plywood too.  That might bring the price down a lot.

I suspect he would rather die first.  :)

Just a thought.

Frank

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« Reply #24 on: 17 Feb 2008, 05:56 pm »
These were my partner, Paul Jensen's, design; a pretty darn nice two way piece using a whizzer cone 8" woofer and a 3" paper cone tweeter, and a really complex crossover network - - -  a single capacitor in series with the tweeter.  :)  No help from Dennis Murphy then.

You know, back when I was selling mid-fi and "hi-fi" while in college, I grew an appreciation for the whizzer cone and paper cone tweeter.  They lack the detail and definition of more modern materials, but they produce a sonic naturalness that's tough to beat at a reasonable cost.

I would have liked to hear the Jenson design!

rustneversleeps

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« Reply #25 on: 18 Feb 2008, 05:17 am »
Frank,

Do you remember while Mr. Paul Jensen wanted to use the whole piece of 4 X 8 sheet of plywood, did he actually calculate the correct cabinet volume for the type of whizzer woofer, and tweeter that he used? What is the value of the capacitor, and the speaker component mounting configuration (like if the woofer and tweeter were mounted diagnally...).

I do have several sheets of 4 X 8 plywood in the garage, and I can get whizzer cone and paper tweeter at a reasonable price.


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« Reply #26 on: 18 Feb 2008, 11:18 am »
$500 floorstanders are kinda of an "awkward" price point.  Shipping of a well braced cabinet is relatively expensive.  And often the cabinet acts more like an untuned pipe than just a calculated volume of air (check out abovve mentioned Martin King's work).

If you've got plywood and DIY interests, why not put the money into a decent pair of standmounts and build stands?  The stands can be simple boxes of the same width/depth of the speakers if that's a look you're after.

That Madisound Seas kit looks promising.  You can even get crossover upgrade up front and a precut baffle.  Madisound also sells a Selah Audio two-way kit in your price range that has a ribbon tweeter.

Don't expect to get foundational bass from $500 standmounts.  Could you skimp a bit on the standmounts, build your own stands, and then add a DIY sub?


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« Reply #27 on: 18 Feb 2008, 02:17 pm »
Cabinet volume was "calculated" to use a whole sheet of plywood without any scraps except sawdust.  Very scientific. I will admit that some of the small leftover strips were used as internal cabinet bracing.  They were solid as a rock.  :)  The speakers sounded pretty good because we picked pretty decent drivers at the time and the port tuning was per Jensen Sound off all things (no relations).  Ah those were the days. My younger brother still has a set in use.  He knows I have first dibs on them if he ever wants to retire them.

Frank

rustneversleeps

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« Reply #28 on: 18 Feb 2008, 06:48 pm »
Although my woodworking skill is somewhat rusty, but I think I am capable of building a couple of 12" X 10" X 24" boxes.

I'll have to figure the port, however, and most tweeters are optional with full range speakers, and I can figure out the crossover for it.

Great, it will be my next summer project.

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« Reply #29 on: 19 Feb 2008, 02:20 am »
Although my woodworking skill is somewhat rusty, but I think I am capable of building a couple of 12" X 10" X 24" boxes.

Parts Express has some really gorgeous pre-finished enclosures.  All that's needed is cutting out the front baffle (i.e., plunge rounter and circle jig).  (Same process goes for any port holes that may need to be cut--obviously.)

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« Reply #30 on: 19 Feb 2008, 03:35 am »
Although my woodworking skill is somewhat rusty, but I think I am capable of building a couple of 12" X 10" X 24" boxes.

Parts Express has some really gorgeous pre-finished enclosures.  All that's needed is cutting out the front baffle (i.e., plunge rounter and circle jig).  (Same process goes for any port holes that may need to be cut--obviously.)

The PE cabinets are really nice. If you do go the PE route, you might want to consider the brand new "Kepler" speaker kit from Exodus Audio, as it's actually designed to work in those cabinets. The kit itself is about $250 each or $500/pr. and they are said to sound pretty good. A complete review of the Kepler is due out of Soundstage on-line magazine sometime in the next few weeks, so if you can wait, it might be that this is something that would meet or exceed your expectations.

http://www.diycable.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=667

Standard Disclaimer: Kevin Haskins, the owner of Exodus Audio is a friend of mine and I had a "bit" of participation in the development of the crossover, but I am not connected in any way with DIY Cable or Exodus Audio (nor do I owe him any money :lol:). If I didn't truly believe that this design offered a great deal of value, I wouldn't bother posting this.

Best Regards,
TerryO

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Re: speaker recommendation
« Reply #31 on: 19 Feb 2008, 04:54 pm »
For what it is worth, we ordered a couple of the Parts Express cabinets a while back and can confirm that they are nice.  How they will sound with whatever speakers you install we cannot comment on.

Frank Van Alstine

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« Reply #32 on: 1 Mar 2008, 06:54 pm »
A "teaser" on the Kepler speaker has come out on Soundstage! on-line magazine. I don't really know how many here are even interested, but since I'd previously mentioned it (above) I thought I'd at least provide a URL.

http://www.goodsound.com/home.shtml

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TerryO

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« Reply #33 on: 2 Mar 2008, 02:03 pm »
Rust-  When I was in San Antonio for a meet, I heard a two way that FredT300B made/makes that was a bunch of fun.  Unstained, unveneered, just an ordinary lookin floorstander no bigger than it had to be (6.5" mid/bass drivers in a transmission line) but with some clean and very lively sound coming from it.  You oughta send Fred an email.  He's the AC moderator for line array speakers (go figure).  I really liked what I heard and if what he told us he'd sell these for is still the case, you'll be grinning mighty big when you get em home I do believe.

TerryO

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« Reply #34 on: 12 Apr 2008, 11:55 pm »
I'm a little tardy getting back to this thread, but the SoundStage! review of the Exodus Audio "Kepler" speaker kit was released earlier this month, complete with measurements done at Canada's National Research Center. It also received a "Reviewer's Choice" designation from the magazine. Rather than go on and on, here's the URL so you can read it for yourself:

http://www.soundstage.com/diwhy/diwhy.htm

Best Regards,
TerryO